So brave of you!Batfan175 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:29 amOf course I can do that, thank your for asking so nicely, it's much appreciated. Now, my main points of criticism are as follows:
- episodes 1 and 4 lack a bit of momentum, as they seem to function as set-up episodes and are hence the least interesting of the bunch that we got;
- sometimes overly blunt and explicit dialogue offset by other storytelling elements like editing, costuming, etc.;
- the pacing was rather fast but given the small number of episodes I was kind of prepared for that;
- some convenient plot points (the circumstances surrounding Rhaegal's fate come to mind) somewhat counterbalanced by their thematic significance.
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Do you want me to lie about my feelings about the show? I thought the acting was excellent from everyone (in particular Clarke, Dinklage, NCW, Williams and Harrington got to shine), the entire thing looked amazing (episodes 3, 5 and 6 had some of the best shots of the entire show and of course the costumes and sets are always amazing), the music was excellent and I'll be gladly buying the soundtrack on CD when it comes out in July. The story from a writing perspective made sense to me as an end of LOTR/Scouring of the Shire section. The decision of not making the ice monsters the final threat but the quest for power/Iron Throne itself I found rather fitting and well-executed because the human heart in conflict with itself was always at the centre of Martin's story anyway.
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Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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WellDemoph wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:00 pmMaster Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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I wish the final 4 seasons weren't as neatly coded in general as nuance slipped away, but obviously the net-positive status quo at the end came at tremendous cost and betrayal in the preceding episodes. I expect the books to be similar in that sense.Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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JonVader182 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:42 pmI wish the final 4 seasons weren't as neatly coded in general as nuance slipped away, but obviously the net-positive status quo at the end came at tremendous cost and betrayal in the preceding episodes. I expect the books to be similar in that sense.Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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I'm talking specifically about the villains. I mean any garbage Hollywood villain manages to get a casualty or two or rule somewhere at some point, but what about their ultimate goals. What was their success rate in that regard? Barely any. They all failed one by one. Where is the nuance in that?Vader182 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:42 pmI wish the final 4 seasons weren't as neatly coded in general as nuance slipped away, but obviously the net-positive status quo at the end came at tremendous cost and betrayal in the preceding episodes. I expect the books to be similar in that sense.Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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NK, Cersei, Ramsay, Tywin, Joffry, Baelish, The Mountain, Walder Frey, Bolton, High Sparrow, even the mini villains like Tanner, Locke, Craster, Ser Alisser, Viserys or Daenerys herself when she turned into one, they all had one thing in common, they utterly failed in what they wanted to achieve the most and they died in what felt like very karmic story like ways.
Compare that to some of Marvel's best villains for instance. Thanos, Zemo, Killmonger, Pierce. All of them were at least to some degree successful and what they accomplished had lasting consequences. Not just casualties.
How is the bittersweet ending anything new here. In the end it was just another traditional story like all the others despite all the pretence.
I just really love how Jon and Daenerys' arcs are wrapped up in the final episode. The more I think about it the more I love it. Especially Clarke is Golden Globe worthy
I can't think of any series where
So yes, in that sense, it did something very new.
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So for it to not be traditional you just wanted the villains to win? That does not sound like a very interesting subversion. I could make a theory that says that Victarion Greyjoy is Azor Ahai but that would not be in keeping with the spirit of the story, which is anti-war and anti-violence. It's a fictional story with a moral core at the centre, which is why the villain does not get to win, as Martin's not a nihilist. Cersei got the throne she wanted and held onto it...until she didn't because Martin understands a) her character flaws and b) that people never hold on to power forever anyway. Ramsay's goals just entail hurting people physically and psychologically because he gets off on it. He was pretty successful in doing that and it had an impact beyond his death too when you look at Theon. Arya and Sansa have generally been changed forever by the horrors they witnessed and those are somehow not lasting consequences?Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 2:34 pmI'm talking specifically about the villains. I mean any garbage Hollywood villain manages to get a casualty or two or rule somewhere at some point, but what about their ultimate goals. What was their success rate in that regard? Barely any. They all failed one by one. Where is the nuance in that?Vader182 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:42 pmI wish the final 4 seasons weren't as neatly coded in general as nuance slipped away, but obviously the net-positive status quo at the end came at tremendous cost and betrayal in the preceding episodes. I expect the books to be similar in that sense.Master Virgo wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 10:43 amOne thing that bothers me overall about the show is that it pretends to depict a different type of world where justice will not always come for those who deserve it and yet, we have almost all the several villains of the story meeting their dooms in some ill fated manner.
How come some of them can't like get a happy ending then or at least not fail miserably in the end? lol
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NK, Cersei, Ramsay, Tywin, Joffry, Baelish, The Mountain, Walder Frey, Bolton, High Sparrow, even the mini villains like Tanner, Locke, Craster, Ser Alisser, Viserys or Daenerys herself when she turned into one, they all had one thing in common, they utterly failed in what they wanted to achieve the most and they died in what felt like very karmic story like ways.
Compare that to some of Marvel's best villains for instance. Thanos, Zemo, Killmonger, Pierce. All of them were at least to some degree successful and what they accomplished had lasting consequences. Not just casualties.
How is the bittersweet ending anything new here. In the end it was just another traditional story like all the others despite all the pretence.
