Yeah I didn’t care for it but it’s an hyperbolic Film Twitter hot take.Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 amEven if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.Vader182 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2019, 9:46 pmlike I said about it earlier this year, the most dangerous (and bad) thing about the movie isn't that it promotes an incel message, it obviously doesn't, it's that it doesn't have a message period.
instead, it recklessly and incoherently juggles half a dozen "hot button" issues and manages to do absolutely nothing with any of them. it's also narrow and literal where it sees itself as complex, deep and "abstract." I felt third party embarrassed for all involved. They're swimming in insane cash and will likely earn solid nominations, so good on them.
It's the worst movie I've seen from 2019.
-Vader
Joker (2019)
Ozymamdias are you saying this objectively or subjectively?Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 amEven if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.Vader182 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2019, 9:46 pmlike I said about it earlier this year, the most dangerous (and bad) thing about the movie isn't that it promotes an incel message, it obviously doesn't, it's that it doesn't have a message period.
instead, it recklessly and incoherently juggles half a dozen "hot button" issues and manages to do absolutely nothing with any of them. it's also narrow and literal where it sees itself as complex, deep and "abstract." I felt third party embarrassed for all involved. They're swimming in insane cash and will likely earn solid nominations, so good on them.
It's the worst movie I've seen from 2019.
-Vader
If you wrap a turd in chocolate ganache, you’re still eating a turd.Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 amEven if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.Vader182 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2019, 9:46 pmlike I said about it earlier this year, the most dangerous (and bad) thing about the movie isn't that it promotes an incel message, it obviously doesn't, it's that it doesn't have a message period.
instead, it recklessly and incoherently juggles half a dozen "hot button" issues and manages to do absolutely nothing with any of them. it's also narrow and literal where it sees itself as complex, deep and "abstract." I felt third party embarrassed for all involved. They're swimming in insane cash and will likely earn solid nominations, so good on them.
It's the worst movie I've seen from 2019.
-Vader
I got more out of Velvet Buzzsaw, Gemini Man, Under the Silver Lake, my other “worst of” 2019.
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I mean the film's about how the main character cannot handle his everyday life in an alienated, capitalist society where people don't care about each other and certainly not about people with less power and wealth than themselves, which means that he essentially dies a death by a thousand cuts. Any one of the elements brought up in the film (emotional and other kinds of abuse, economic inequality, mental health, etc.) could be the focus of a film by itself but the point is not to point at a single element and say 'see if we only fixed this one part of the whole everything would be fine' because fixing one of these elements by itself is not sufficient to make that society structurally better and more empathetic. Doesn't need to be about one specific element when I took the film's point to be that all of it destroys him simultaneously with no easy solutions for his problems in sight, which is where he gets his nihilism from.Vader182 wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 2:41 pmIf you wrap a turd in chocolate ganache, you’re still eating a turd.Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 amEven if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.Vader182 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2019, 9:46 pmlike I said about it earlier this year, the most dangerous (and bad) thing about the movie isn't that it promotes an incel message, it obviously doesn't, it's that it doesn't have a message period.
instead, it recklessly and incoherently juggles half a dozen "hot button" issues and manages to do absolutely nothing with any of them. it's also narrow and literal where it sees itself as complex, deep and "abstract." I felt third party embarrassed for all involved. They're swimming in insane cash and will likely earn solid nominations, so good on them.
It's the worst movie I've seen from 2019.
-Vader
I got more out of Velvet Buzzsaw, Gemini Man, Under the Silver Lake, my other “worst of” 2019.
-Vader
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did i miss the part where vader asked you what the movie was about orBatfan175 wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 4:25 pmI mean the film's about how the main character cannot handle his everyday life in an alienated, capitalist society where people don't care about each other and certainly not about people with less power and wealth than themselves, which means that he essentially dies a death by a thousand cuts. Any one of the elements brought up in the film (emotional and other kinds of abuse, economic inequality, mental health, etc.) could be the focus of a film by itself but the point is not to point at a single element and say 'see if we only fixed this one part of the whole everything would be fine' because fixing one of these elements by itself is not sufficient to make that society structurally better and more empathetic. Doesn't need to be about one specific element when I took the film's point to be that all of it destroys him simultaneously with no easy solutions for his problems in sight, which is where he gets his nihilism from.Vader182 wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 2:41 pmIf you wrap a turd in chocolate ganache, you’re still eating a turd.Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 am
Even if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.
I got more out of Velvet Buzzsaw, Gemini Man, Under the Silver Lake, my other “worst of” 2019.
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He said that the film incoherently brought up a number of hot button issues and I essentially disagreed with that assessment. I assume it's still possible to engage with other people's comments on this website?Ruth wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 4:40 pmdid i miss the part where vader asked you what the movie was about orBatfan175 wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 4:25 pmI mean the film's about how the main character cannot handle his everyday life in an alienated, capitalist society where people don't care about each other and certainly not about people with less power and wealth than themselves, which means that he essentially dies a death by a thousand cuts. Any one of the elements brought up in the film (emotional and other kinds of abuse, economic inequality, mental health, etc.) could be the focus of a film by itself but the point is not to point at a single element and say 'see if we only fixed this one part of the whole everything would be fine' because fixing one of these elements by itself is not sufficient to make that society structurally better and more empathetic. Doesn't need to be about one specific element when I took the film's point to be that all of it destroys him simultaneously with no easy solutions for his problems in sight, which is where he gets his nihilism from.
You don’t seem to watch many negatively reviewed movies in general though from what I can tell.Vader182 wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 2:41 pmIf you wrap a turd in chocolate ganache, you’re still eating a turd.Ozymandias wrote: ↑January 1st, 2020, 8:20 amEven if you believe the film doesn't have a coherent message--the production value alone, the cinematography and the acting, are far better than so many films from 2019, and yet, you still say it is the worst movie you saw all year? Bewildering.Vader182 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2019, 9:46 pmlike I said about it earlier this year, the most dangerous (and bad) thing about the movie isn't that it promotes an incel message, it obviously doesn't, it's that it doesn't have a message period.
instead, it recklessly and incoherently juggles half a dozen "hot button" issues and manages to do absolutely nothing with any of them. it's also narrow and literal where it sees itself as complex, deep and "abstract." I felt third party embarrassed for all involved. They're swimming in insane cash and will likely earn solid nominations, so good on them.
It's the worst movie I've seen from 2019.
-Vader
I got more out of Velvet Buzzsaw, Gemini Man, Under the Silver Lake, my other “worst of” 2019.
-Vader
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Listening to the Two-Shot podcast by William Bibbiani and Witney Seibold taught me that I have been lucky to have avoided watching even close to the worst films of any given year. This film is not part of that group of films and people should most likely let go of the hyperbolic reactions surrounding this film that at worst is derivative of better Scorsese films.
I didn't say it was the worst movie of 2019, I said it was the worst I've seen.
It's really not worth diving into a deep conversation over an appallingly shallow movie.
-Vader
It's really not worth diving into a deep conversation over an appallingly shallow movie.
-Vader
