Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (2017)

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I can understand that if we're talking about
when Luke brushes off his shoulder.
Though, the whole point of the scene is to provoke and intimidate Kylo, which it does.

m4st4 wrote:
January 20th, 2018, 1:35 pm
I believe he’s talking about casino scenes primarily. But he was a veteran paired with couple of greenheads, not surprising and certainly not fair to compare them.
talkin bout the whole thing. he was the only one who revealed things about their character based on their performance.

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Last duel was cool but Luke doing the Matrix dodge almost made me laugh out loud.

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Cilogy wrote:
January 20th, 2018, 8:47 pm
I can understand that if we're talking about
when Luke brushes off his shoulder.
Though, the whole point of the scene is to provoke and intimidate Kylo, which it does.
Question for you and anybody else interested in this discussion:
What is Luke Skywalker's plan when he goes to Crait? What is he trying to accomplish?

-Vader

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Vader182 wrote:
January 21st, 2018, 1:41 am
Cilogy wrote:
January 20th, 2018, 8:47 pm
I can understand that if we're talking about
when Luke brushes off his shoulder.
Though, the whole point of the scene is to provoke and intimidate Kylo, which it does.
Question for you and anybody else interested in this discussion:
What is Luke Skywalker's plan when he goes to Crait? What is he trying to accomplish?

-Vader
he's trying to end the movie you mark

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Two things

The big one is to distract the The First Order to give the resistance time to escape.

The only people he really has to answer to are Leia and Kylo. He manages to successfully reconcile with Leia. He at least attempts to apologize to Kylo, but not necessarily to get through to him.

The key is how Luke tells Leia "I have to face him" not explicitly "I have to fight him". He is, in many ways, doing something similar to what he did in the dark place on Dagobah. It's all about facing the darkest parts of himself, to repent.

Remains to be seen whether this actually has an effect on Kylo.
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Vader182 wrote:
January 21st, 2018, 1:41 am
Cilogy wrote:
January 20th, 2018, 8:47 pm
I can understand that if we're talking about
when Luke brushes off his shoulder.
Though, the whole point of the scene is to provoke and intimidate Kylo, which it does.
Question for you and anybody else interested in this discussion:
What is Luke Skywalker's plan when he goes to Crait? What is he trying to accomplish?

-Vader
I thought that was obvious?
His plan is to hold back The First Order so that Resistance can escape and eventually rebuild itself. He understands that going there physically won’t accomplish much so he does what every Jedi master would do - trolls the lesser experienced oponent. And he does so masterfully. I believe Luke was at a point in his life where he could actually see glimpses of future events and he knew exactly how much physical strain it would cause him. So it was a one way ticket from the get-go, he decided to give his life in order to not only redeem his soul (he felt it was corrupted via Kylo Ren event), but also reach the ultimate form - a force ghost, spiritual being at piece with the force. We’re witnessing Luke re-connecting with the force anew.
Edit: Cilogy, nice catch on the line.
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Cilogy wrote:
January 21st, 2018, 2:14 am
Two things

The big one is to distract the The First Order to give the resistance time to escape.

The only people he really has to answer to are Leia and Kylo. He manages to successfully reconcile with Leia. He at least attempts to apologize to Kylo, but not necessarily to get through to him.

The key is how Luke tells Leia "I have to face him" not explicitly "I have to fight him". He is, in many ways, doing something similar to what he did in the dark place on Dagobah. It's all about facing the darkest parts of himself, to repent.

Remains to be seen whether this actually has an effect on Kylo.

I have a feeling many folks took "I have to face him" to mean "I have to fucking kill him with visual spectacle and not subvert everyone's understanding of the force and keep their precious Star Wars feels intact."
that's a lot of words just to say he wanted to end the movie

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I ask because according to Rian Johnson anyway, both of you guys are at least partially incorrect. And that's proving my point a little bit.

The primary purpose of this sequence is to
weaponize Luke Skywalker, the legend, into a grand act of myth-making that will inspire hope all across the galaxy and reignite the rebellion. It should be a "THE BEACONS ARE LIT!" type moment, but instead feels like one of a dozen other things happening. This is not good. It should be our main takeaway from the scene, as it underscores the importance of what's happening on the galactic stage. Rian himself said that if all Luke's doing is saving/giving hope to 20 people in a cave, Luke's sacrifice doesn't carry much weight.

And because this whole idea needed to be a LOT clearer (as proven by you guys just now) RIan Johnson himself would agree the scene doesn't do what he wanted the scene to do. I've seen TLJ 4x and I still struggle to connect Luke on Crait to inspiring the entire galaxy to reignite the rebellion just like that. That's a huge assumption Rian's asking us to make without really setting up how or why that's happening, trivializing Luke's sacrifice for a lot of people.

I don't agree with that POV and love the scene, but a co-writer would have helped make this clearer for the audience.

-Vader

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