Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Thanks for the response. That's what my primary assumption was, but this gets muddled with:

1.) In the conversation with Poésy, doesn't she talk about how it's a bomb from the future that can move through time to our present? The Protagonist then says "they can do that?" and it set up this expectation it's an algorithm in the future that can destroy the past. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the whole deal.

2.) The physical bomb that's actually counting down is confusing since the explanation that it's to "protect" the bomb from Tenet isn't clear.

3.) Assuming you're right that the black lego boxes are the "time bomb" that reverse time, Nolan never, ever should have named this thing an "algorithm" and have sentences like "activate the algorithm." We need something clear and intuitive, like "TIME BOMB" or whatever, especially when a movie is this fast and chaotic and this poor a sound mix.

-Vader

Tarssauce wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Thanks for the response. That's what my primary assumption was, but this gets muddled with:

1.) In the conversation with Poésy, doesn't she talk about how it's a bomb from the future that can move through time to our present? The Protagonist then says "they can do that?" and it set up this expectation it's an algorithm in the future that can destroy the past. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the whole deal.

2.) The physical bomb that's actually counting down is confusing since the explanation that it's to "protect" the bomb from Tenet isn't clear.

3.) Assuming you're right that the black lego boxes are the "time bomb" that reverse time, Nolan never, ever should have named this thing an "algorithm" and have sentences like "activate the algorithm." We need something clear and intuitive, like "TIME BOMB" or whatever, especially when a movie is this fast and chaotic and this poor a sound mix.

-Vader

It’s literally an algorithm but in physical form - that’s what was said in the film. The best place to hide those pieces are highly secure nuclear containment centers.

People in the future have figured how to reverse the entropy of single objects but this algorithm reverses the entropy of the whole world.

Sator’s plan was to burry it in the dead drop and sends its location the moment he dies which would automatically means people in the future would have it and use it. Tenet’s mission is to find all pieces of the algorithm (by using Sator) and then hiding the pieces again themselves.

It can be extremely confusing on a first watch and I think I fully understood the whole algorithm thing after my second or my third viewing.

Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 6:16 pm

okay but this is where it loses me:

how the hell can algorithms be "in physical form." For example, bombs are chemical reactions... not.... math(??) or equations(??) in "physical forms" that are "activated."

It would makee more sense that these are bombs/devices that are made with the algorithm, but the movie states (as you point out) the modernist lego is the algorithm, which....

am I crazy, or is that complete nonsense and makes more or less zero god damn sense

help me out here lol


-Vader

Tarssauce wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Thanks for the response. That's what my primary assumption was, but this gets muddled with:

1.) In the conversation with Poésy, doesn't she talk about how it's a bomb from the future that can move through time to our present? The Protagonist then says "they can do that?" and it set up this expectation it's an algorithm in the future that can destroy the past. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the whole deal.

2.) The physical bomb that's actually counting down is confusing since the explanation that it's to "protect" the bomb from Tenet isn't clear.

3.) Assuming you're right that the black lego boxes are the "time bomb" that reverse time, Nolan never, ever should have named this thing an "algorithm" and have sentences like "activate the algorithm." We need something clear and intuitive, like "TIME BOMB" or whatever, especially when a movie is this fast and chaotic and this poor a sound mix.

-Vader

It’s literally an algorithm but in physical form - that’s what was said in the film. The best place to hide those pieces are highly secure nuclear containment centers.

People in the future have figured how to reverse the entropy of single objects but this algorithm reverses the entropy of the whole world.

Sator’s plan was to burry it in the dead drop and sends its location the moment he dies which would automatically means people in the future would have it and use it. Tenet’s mission is to find all pieces of the algorithm (by using Sator) and then hiding the pieces again themselves.

It can be extremely confusing on a first watch and I think I fully understood the whole algorithm thing after my second or my third viewing.

Jayp wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 11:56 am

speedy117 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 10:19 am

I've only watched the film once and have some basic questions if anyone can answer them that'd be great:

1. Can someone explain the hypothermia explosion? How does that work?
2. Does the Protagonist create TENET in the future or the past?
3. How does a temporal pincer work and what is the point of it?
4. How much of the opera scene was a test? The Protagonist's colleagues died because of it.
5. Is "We live in a twilight world" some sort of code between special agents or something?
6. What are they trying to stop? A bomb that goes forward and backward through time?
7. Can someone explain the entering the turnstile thing? As you enter the turnstile, what would you see on the other side? I remember reading that if you don't see yourself on the other side it means you died but I don't understand how.

Sorry if these are dumb questions. Like I said I've only seen the film once.

1.hypothermia is state where your body looses heat faster than it can produce heat as Blast produced heat but as JDW was inverted he catched it like cold
2.Future
3.Temporal pincer is like pincer but for time. You make two teams. One inverted other normal. Normal teams starts the battle progresses towards end. Inverted team start from end of battle progresses towards start. They exchange information between them to have upperhand at enemy. Sort of communicating with the future
4.Whole, his colleagues died bcoz they either gave names or info I guess
5.yes like tenet and hand gesture
6.It’s not literally bomb but more destructive than that. It’s an algorithm which can reverse the direction of universe causing apocalypse for us so future generations can live on earth with natural resources.
7.Turnstile simply inverts the entropy of a person or object i.e. direction of time is changed for person entering. So when entering turnstile to invert yourself or uninvert yourself, you will always see yourself on other side because time just changed direction so when you are entering to invert you will see yourself on other side travelling backwards also when you are entering to uninvert you will still see yourself on other side travelling backwards. So If you are dead you won’t see yourself on other side is totally wrong and unthoughtful.
I tried my best to answer please let me know if it worked for you or not

quervo wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 2:08 pm

speedy117 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 10:19 am

I've only watched the film once and have some basic questions if anyone can answer them that'd be great:

1. Can someone explain the hypothermia explosion? How does that work?
2. Does the Protagonist create TENET in the future or the past?
3. How does a temporal pincer work and what is the point of it?
4. How much of the opera scene was a test? The Protagonist's colleagues died because of it.
5. Is "We live in a twilight world" some sort of code between special agents or something?
6. What are they trying to stop? A bomb that goes forward and backward through time?
7. Can someone explain the entering the turnstile thing? As you enter the turnstile, what would you see on the other side? I remember reading that if you don't see yourself on the other side it means you died but I don't understand how.

Sorry if these are dumb questions. Like I said I've only seen the film once.

Let's see...

First of all, I don't think there are specific answers for many of these questions, because we don't see the past (or future) of Tenet. Here are my thoughts:
1. No. Ask Kip Thorne.
2. He creates it in his own, subjective future, if he's really the one who creates it. I watched it several times, and he is The Protagonist, yes, but I can't remember him saying he is the founder. He is the boss, but he doesn't need to be the first boss.
3. You can gain information from the future and you can go backwards to use it. I can't find a good, simple example, but in the battle: the blue team sees the outcome of the battle, they can see where the explosions took place because of the red team, so they gain info from them. And red team gains information from the blue team about the future.
4. We can't be sure, but a future Protagonist in the past knew everything about the siege, so he gave order to Neil and Donovan's character to save him. It is said it was a test, but he always passed it, so now I think it wasn't a test at all, that's something Victor (are we sure, it is his name?) was told.
5. Yes, definitely.
6. The bomb we see isn't the inversion-bomb, it's just a regular bomb that buries the algorithm for hundreds of years. The watch on Sator's arm sends the coordinates to somewhere at the moment he dies.
7. I don't think you die, seeing yourself on the other side is just a visual confirmation that the machine works properly. If you enter, for the world you seem to disappear, because you leave to the past. If you enter as inverted, the world sees you appear both sides, because you came from the future, and only present and past can be seen.

Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Tarssauce wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Vader182 wrote: ↑

September 7th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Thanks for the response. That's what my primary assumption was, but this gets muddled with:

1.) In the conversation with Poésy, doesn't she talk about how it's a bomb from the future that can move through time to our present? The Protagonist then says "they can do that?" and it set up this expectation it's an algorithm in the future that can destroy the past. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the whole deal.

2.) The physical bomb that's actually counting down is confusing since the explanation that it's to "protect" the bomb from Tenet isn't clear.

3.) Assuming you're right that the black lego boxes are the "time bomb" that reverse time, Nolan never, ever should have named this thing an "algorithm" and have sentences like "activate the algorithm." We need something clear and intuitive, like "TIME BOMB" or whatever, especially when a movie is this fast and chaotic and this poor a sound mix.

-Vader

It’s literally an algorithm but in physical form - that’s what was said in the film. The best place to hide those pieces are highly secure nuclear containment centers.

People in the future have figured how to reverse the entropy of single objects but this algorithm reverses the entropy of the whole world.

Sator’s plan was to burry it in the dead drop and sends its location the moment he dies which would automatically means people in the future would have it and use it. Tenet’s mission is to find all pieces of the algorithm (by using Sator) and then hiding the pieces again themselves.

It can be extremely confusing on a first watch and I think I fully understood the whole algorithm thing after my second or my third viewing.

okay but this is where it loses me:

how the hell can algorithms be "in physical form." For example, bombs are chemical reactions... not.... math(??) or equations(??) in "physical forms" that are "activated."

It would makee more sense that these are bombs/devices that are made with the algorithm, but the movie states (as you point out) the modernist lego is the algorithm, which....

am I crazy, or is that complete nonsense and makes more or less zero god damn sense

help me out here lol


-Vader