Tenet - Box Office Autopsy

An original action espionage film releasing in IMAX on August 12, 2020
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Vader182 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:10 pm
or maybe it's the filmmaker's job to guide a general audience through a convoluted 200 million dollar movie, just a thought

nolan could punch everyone's spouse in the gut and some of you would say the audience isn't smart enough to understand it


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I personally said I wasn't smart enough to understand it.

However, there is a difference between a film being written incomprehensibly and an audience not being able to comprehend it. I couldn't comprehend it, but I have faith that after absorbing it more (reading/watching stuff online, and giving the film some more theatrical viewings) that I will be able to take in all of the layers. Basically, I'm holding onto hope that this film was actually written comprehensibly. Time will tell on that front, but I don't know yet for myself.

No, I'm not demanding that casual moviegoers do all of this as well.

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September 6th, 2020, 1:56 pm
I know I'm a broken record at this point, but WB and Nolan massively overplayed their confidence in Tenet's accessibility. Likely from conception to release. Audiences don't want to leave the safety of their homes and watch a movie that takes this much work to enjoy.

At minimum, they should've had this release late 2020. At best, they should have delayed to 2021.


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It sounds like it should came out in 2021. People don’t want go the theater right now and if they do they want something happy and cheerful

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Seems like WB is comfortable taking a loss on this. It's honestly debatable whether it would have made bank had it released this July under normal circumstances. It probably would've had a solid opening, but the mixed reception and competition from Jungle Cruise and Morbius might have lead to sharp drops.

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Vader182 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 1:56 pm
I know I'm a broken record at this point, but WB and Nolan massively overplayed their confidence in Tenet's accessibility. Likely from conception to release. Audiences don't want to leave the safety of their homes and watch a movie that takes this much work to enjoy.

At minimum, they should've had this release late 2020. At best, they should have delayed to 2021.


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And they shouldn’t have spent $200M on it. I think this is the end of Nolan’s mega budget green light, unless he agrees to do a franchise movie with a guaranteed audience like James Bond, Batman, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. Dunkirk’s budget at $100M is the area WB should be targeting for his original movies.

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StarWarsIsAwesome123 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:40 pm
Seems like WB is comfortable taking a loss on this. It's honestly debatable whether it would have made bank had it released this July under normal circumstances. It probably would've had a solid opening, but the mixed reception and competition from Jungle Cruise and Morbius might have lead to sharp drops.
Probably would made 150m Dom + 400m-500m over seas. For a total of 650m-750m WW
Tenet will most likely make 350m at most WW now.

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redfirebird2008 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:43 pm
Vader182 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 1:56 pm
I know I'm a broken record at this point, but WB and Nolan massively overplayed their confidence in Tenet's accessibility. Likely from conception to release. Audiences don't want to leave the safety of their homes and watch a movie that takes this much work to enjoy.

At minimum, they should've had this release late 2020. At best, they should have delayed to 2021.


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And they shouldn’t have spent $200M on it. I think this is the end of Nolan’s mega budget green light, unless he agrees to do a franchise movie with a guaranteed audience like James Bond, Batman, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. Dunkirk’s budget at $100M is the area WB should be targeting for his original movies.
As Kevin Smith once said in a TDKR podcast from what he was told by Harvey Weinstein: you film needs to end better than it began, because that's the last thing the audience remembers.

That end credits song didn't help nobody, lol.

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Don’t really think it’s Nolans job to dumb things down for the audience. If anything, I think Hollywood has dumbed their films down so much that Tenet could be considered “inaccessible” to today’s audiences.

Anyways, I’m glad he didn’t dumb things down as much as he could’ve because it resulted in a better movie as a result.

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The film was challenging. I missed so many things on my first viewing as it was moving too fast. But I wholeheartedly disagree that filmmaker needs to spoon feed the audience and explain every little detail of the film.

Seems like Nolan had too much faith in the audience and their tolerance for heady and ambitious filmmaking.

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redfirebird2008 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:43 pm
And they shouldn’t have spent $200M on it. I think this is the end of Nolan’s mega budget green light, unless he agrees to do a franchise movie with a guaranteed audience like James Bond, Batman, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. Dunkirk’s budget at $100M is the area WB should be targeting for his original movies.
But why? This will be Nolan's first film in whatever how long (if ever) that will make WB lose money, so why wouldn't they green light whatever he wants to do next at whatever budget he desires, considering his track record so far?

I do wonder if Nolan's going to be reactionary to some of the audience's/critic's reception in what he's going to cook up next, but I'm pretty sure he would have to have a string of flops for Warner to stop approving his big budgets.

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Innovator wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 3:34 pm
redfirebird2008 wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:43 pm
And they shouldn’t have spent $200M on it. I think this is the end of Nolan’s mega budget green light, unless he agrees to do a franchise movie with a guaranteed audience like James Bond, Batman, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. Dunkirk’s budget at $100M is the area WB should be targeting for his original movies.
But why? This will be Nolan's first film in whatever how long (if ever) that will make WB lose money, so why wouldn't they green light whatever he wants to do next at whatever budget he desires, considering his track record so far?

I do wonder if Nolan's going to be reactionary to some of the audience's/critic's reception in what he's going to cook up next, but I'm pretty sure he would have to have a string of flops for Warner to stop approving his big budgets.
I just want to focus on this for a moment.

I absolutely loathe the changes that were made to Bane's voice by the time that TDKR released. I don't know if that was Nolan's doing and I don't know if that was reactionary to people's complaints in the prologue.

What I do know, however, is that very many IMAX theaters can drown out dialogue a lot more and make things less audible than normal because of all the other bombastic sounds, especially in a Nolan film. In a regular theater, this wouldn't have been much of an issue.

So while we can laugh at the idea of people complaining they can't understand him because "He's covering his mouth!" (hopefully people understand that reference), what we ultimately got was something that was far, far inferior to the original prologue and would not have ever been in issue in regular theaters. Now I'm sitting here with the Blu-ray, and I have this voice that comes from every channel and towers over others like a narrator, instead of sounding like it's just coming out of his mask.

Worst decision ever, likely catalyzed by the prologue-watching audience. I sure hope Nolan doesn't get that reactionary.

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