Tenet - Box Office Autopsy

An original action espionage film releasing in IMAX on August 12, 2020
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MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
AMC bascially states they will open in theaters in California ASAP whenever the government allows.

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MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Not sure where you are in Illinois, but tickets are already selling for August 20th. I see Empire Strikes Back show sold out for a 7pm show. No one wants to see Black Panther lol. I will be seeing Inception tomorrow in 70MM at the music box theater.

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geozou1 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:09 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Not sure where you are in Illinois, but tickets are already selling for August 20th. I see Empire Strikes Back show sold out for a 7pm show. No one wants to see Black Panther lol. I will be seeing Inception tomorrow in 70MM at the music box theater.
Well I'm not in Illinois. I was just stating it because it has a major player in Chicago, and I assumed Nolan and crew are holding out on the bigger markets.

If it's already set to open and do stuff by then, then awesome!

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MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


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Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


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If you're ordering takeout or eating outside, I'd agree.

Otherwise, assuming people are spaced out as distant in both settings... I'll just agree to disagree.

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MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm
Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


-Vader
If you're ordering takeout or eating outside, I'd agree.

Otherwise, assuming people are spaced out as distant in both settings... I'll just agree to disagree.
Respectfully, this isn't correct. For instance, just look at the state reopening plans created by scientists and epidemiologists. In every single one, indoor dining opens way earlier than theaters. In Illinois, for example, indoor dining has been available since end of June. When you break it down, this is fairly common-sense. You spend longer inside a movie theater than most would at restaurants and social distancing is more staggered and spaced out in a restaurant table-to-table.

Meanwhile, most theaters will have one empty seat between parties, IE that's less than 6 feet apart, and various people around you will have masks off a big percentage of the money eating and drinking. It's straightforward theaters are later in reopening plans (IE, deemed more dangerous by scientists) when considering these facts.

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Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Got an e-mail from AMC about its August 20th re-opening plans. Don't know what that means for California, New York, and Illinois... but I'm hoping they'll get the opportunity to show that theaters don't have to be a culprit any worse than restaurant dining.
Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


-Vader

That's totally false. Restaurants and bars are the most likely place to catch the virus, followed closely by gyms. Maybe you should take your own advice and stop spreading misinformation.

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Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:41 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm
Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm


Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


-Vader
If you're ordering takeout or eating outside, I'd agree.

Otherwise, assuming people are spaced out as distant in both settings... I'll just agree to disagree.
Respectfully, this isn't correct. For instance, just look at the state reopening plans created by scientists and epidemiologists. In every single one, indoor dining opens way earlier than theaters. In Illinois, for example, indoor dining has been available since end of June. When you break it down, this is fairly common-sense. You spend longer inside a movie theater than most would at restaurants and social distancing is more staggered and spaced out in a restaurant table-to-table.

Meanwhile, most theaters will have one empty seat between parties, IE that's less than 6 feet apart, and various people around you will have masks off a big percentage of the money eating and drinking. It's straightforward theaters are later in reopening plans (IE, deemed more dangerous by scientists) when considering these facts.

I envy your confidence if you believe you have understanding beyond theirs.


-Vader
You can't use how early places open up as an indicator to how risky it is to catch covid in different environments. Restaurants only opened earlier because people see it as "more essential". Theatres are larger, with a greater opportunity for spaced-out seating. In restaurants, people are typically seated closer together. Also people are sharing the same utensils in restaurants. I should mention, by the way, that I have a degree in epidemiology.

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Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:41 pm
MuffinMcFluffin wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm
Vader182 wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm


Theaters are more dangerous than restaurants. Make your own choices, but don't spread misinformation.


-Vader
If you're ordering takeout or eating outside, I'd agree.

Otherwise, assuming people are spaced out as distant in both settings... I'll just agree to disagree.
Respectfully, this isn't correct. For instance, just look at the state reopening plans created by scientists and epidemiologists. In every single one, indoor dining opens way earlier than theaters. In Illinois, for example, indoor dining has been available since end of June. When you break it down, this is fairly common-sense. You spend longer inside a movie theater than most would at restaurants and social distancing is more staggered and spaced out in a restaurant table-to-table.

Meanwhile, most theaters will have one empty seat between parties, IE that's less than 6 feet apart, and various people around you will have masks off a big percentage of the money eating and drinking. It's straightforward theaters are later in reopening plans (IE, deemed more dangerous by scientists) when considering these facts.

I envy your confidence if you believe you have understanding beyond theirs.


-Vader
Theaters aren't open because they are nonessential. Restaurants aren't essential in and of themselves, but eating is essential whereas entertainment is not. Helping business help people perform an essential task is helpful for the economy.

You're right regarding time: you'll likely spend half the amount of time in a restaurant than you would in a theater. Spacing is an iffy call depending on what theaters do. Those that do 25% capacity are really spacing things out (I'm from an area where theaters are pretty damn big). Ceilings are higher vaulted, theaters will be running filters in their ventilation, and they can assuredly make the place spotless between showings.

The eating/drinking part is where you're missing me here entirely. I'm going to be masked up the entire time. If I want to consume food or a beverage, off it will go momentarily, then back on it will come. I'm not spending time exhaling, coughing, laughing, or talking to others while my mask is off. I'm not facing the opposite direction of somebody else at any time during the screening. Most importantly, since my mask is off for such limited time, I will make an extremely conscious awareness over the fact that I'm just going to be breathing in, or something to that effect. It may be a problem that theaters have escalated seating, but assuming that nobody is in the seat directly in front of you (which I'm sure will be handled), I don't see this being a problem either.

In a restaurant, you're not going to wear masks. You're there to eat, period. You're there with others so you will be socializing. You'll cough, you'll laugh, you'll spit out food. Everyone is facing in different directions. You're interacting with 2-3 employees during your visit who frequent across other employees often and other tables. The transferring of food, water, the sharing of condiments/dispensers, and even your check/credit card are all susceptible to being contracted, and you are likely mask-less the entire time. Ceilings are significantly lower as well. I'll give you that they can probably spread people out more, but the less vulnerable you feel the more you'll likely put your guard down.

Unless we're looking at 50% capacity, I'm just not seeing it. I'm not saying you can't catch anything, but I'm not seeing greater dangers in a movie theater. Maybe it's just me being naive for the sake of wanting to see Tenet. After I see it, maybe I'll say: "Now let's close 'em down!" But if the theaters are restrictive in the right ways and customers follow suit, it can make for fine safe-doings.
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My anecdotal experience was that people in restaurants honestly did not give a single shit about social distancing or wearing a mask, even when NOT eating. And we’ve brought back mandatory masks since August 1st. And if you were to ask them to put on a mask, they’d just tell you “but I’m about to eat *wink wink*”, even if they were waiting for a takeout. I was just inside a restaurant a few days ago, waiting for a takeout and in a mass of at least ~40 people inside, I could only count like..2 other people wearing masks at their seats. Employees have probably emotionally given up by now too.

So while I obviously can’t compare how dangerous theaters are to restaurants, restaurants don’t feel all that safer tbh.

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