Vader182 wrote:Why aren't the leads in Dunkirk "badass tough action hero leads"? They're brave, focused, trained. What's the difference?
The difference is that Dunkirk's lead is a young, inexperienced soldier, while Mad Max: Fury Road's two leads are tough, fully grown adults who are hardened survivors of a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
What about Germany conquering like, the world. That's pretty "villainy" wouldn't you say? Oh my god, are you a Nazi?
I'm talking about a singular villain character that audiences can put a face to and hate, which is what action movies usually do.
And I'm talking about the film, not about history.
The scope of the film is the evacuation, not a battle in which good old Allied soldiers show the evil Nazis what's what.
If I recall properly, no German soldiers were cast in the film.
That means you don't see any German soldiers' faces.
Hard for there to be a villain for the audience to hate when they're never shown.
Vader182 wrote:this is literally what happened in the evacuation of Dunkirk
I don't think you understand what "victorious" and "literally" mean...
The film isn't about the battle around the perimeter of Dunkirk, it's about the evacuation on the beaches.
The soldiers on the beach didn't take on anything; they ran away from it.
The heroism at Dunkirk didn't come from an outnumbered Allied soldiers defeating a larger Axis force, it came from civilians going out into an active war zone in their small boats, and avoiding bombs and torpedoes to come rescue their boys.
It wasn't a victory, it was a "colossal military disaster". "Wars are not won by evacuations."
Vader182 wrote:Can anyone clue me in to what this means? What's a standard action movie lead? I mean... no, Tom Cruise isn't in this movie.... Well do you mean fame? Since lots of movies cast unknowns.......including this really obscure war movie Saving Private Ryan. Do you mean show heroic characteristics? Since they're going to.
Already explained above.
I said "villain character".
An entire nation whose soldiers you don't even see, is not that.
And already addressed above.
Vader182 wrote:THEY. ARE. FIGHTING. GERMANS.
This movie covers land, air, and sea. Two out of three storylines in Dunkirk show characters in relative safety rushing into danger to execute a complex evacuation. They're not.... running away.
Already addressed above.
Vader182 wrote:Dunkirk isn't an action movie. Mission Impossible 5 is an action movie. Transformers is an action movie.
Nolan is essentially combining the WWII genre with the suspense genre via Hitchcock and Clouzot (The Wages of Fear).
It's an action thriller, the marketing has shown it as such, and the runtime reflects that.
Mr. Nolan has stressed it in interviews as well, and said that he's not trying to make a war drama like Saving Private Ryan.
Vader182 wrote:In the case of the former, there are actually a million WWII movies where evacuations are a major event.
I'd like to hear some.
Vader182 wrote:There are also a million WWII movies with unknowns in the leads roles.
Never said there weren't.
Vader182 wrote:BOTH of these apply to one of the most recent WWII movie... Letters from Iwo fits these bizarre parameters you've set for yourself.
Not bizarre parameters, because I was speculating on whether or not critics would like what Dunkirk is trying to do in a wartime setting, and not a larger-than-life, detached, comfortable setting of your usual action movies.
Letters from Iwo Jima is a war drama, not a high-octane action thriller.
Not only that, but it's as standard as war movies go, with soldiers heroically fighting a losing battle until the end, with the leading general, who may as well be a mythical samurai, personally leading a final suicidal charge against the enemy.
How many times have we seen that. Off the top of my head, I can name Saving Private Ryan and Fury.
Now compare that with Dunkirk, which is about the Allies running away from the Axis.
Not a heroic last stand, but full-on retreat.
That's pretty incredibly unique, and definitely something we don't see often in war films.
Because what country would ever want to make a movie about the time they got their butts kicked by the Nazis and had to be ejected from an entire continent?
But Mr. Nolan's doing it.