Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:20 am
by I'm a John G
Rodney Johnson wrote:
I'm a John G wrote:someone please try to answer this for me as im super confused
i understand all that, but it doesn't answer my question. i bolded what really confuses me.
"once she was able to figure out the gravity equation, it became possible for mankind to leave earth" -- HOW?? what did her knowing the equation change? how did her knowing the 2nd half of the equation help her make it possible for mankind to leave earth? i understand there was probably 50-90 years of "work" done by her given the equation, but what did the equation do for her exactly? did it perfect that huge Plan A ship? don't think so. did it help her get Plan A ship to the new planet?
and speaking of the new planet, they don't know that Brand's planet is perfect for them yet. i guess thats part of why Cooper goes to rescue her from there. on one hand its a rescue mission, but on the other they will be able to happily report to the new space-earth that their new home is within range
another question,
in the first act, NASA gets all giddy because of Cooper telling them about the gravitational anomaly in their home. they say something like it's been happening a lot, for a while now, in all different parts of the world. is this to say that other people were going through what Coop did, or were the other gravitational anomalys him too, but in other parts of the world? that doesn't sound right to me... what were the other anomalys happening? for 50 years, at the same time the worm hole was placed by saturn? was it "they" starting the process of looking for the right pilot for the ship, and it was cooper that finally found himself? how do you explain the 50 years of gravitational anomalys?
All the other gravity anomalys around the world... I'll bet they just had to keep things simple. As far as picking Cooper to the pilot... I think they say at some point that Cooper isn't the one "they" picked, It's Murph. Of course in the end it's a team effort getting the information to Murph so she can solve the gravity equation and get plan A to work.
I saw the movie two weeks ago and haven't been able to talk about it with anyone... it's nice to be able to break my silence!
ok... but...
1. how does her solving the gravity equation get plan A to work? what advantage does it lend her? why couldn't plan A work just by knowing which planet to go to? why did she need to solve the equation, and how did solving it save humanity?
2. that still doesn't answer where the other gravitational anomalys were coming from. thats 50 years of anomalys unaccounted for? what were they? they weren't all in murphs book room...
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:26 am
by Rodney Johnson
ok... but...
1. how does her solving the gravity equation get plan A to work? what advantage does it lend her? why couldn't plan A work just by knowing which planet to go to? why did she need to solve the equation, and how did solving it save humanity?
2. that still doesn't answer where the other gravitational anomalys were coming from. thats 50 years of anomalys unaccounted for? what were they? they weren't all in murphs book room...
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I don't know about the second question, but the answer to the first part has to do with using and controlling gravity. If you can control/manipulate gravity you can put a space station into orbit or travel to distant places with far less effort than using traditional methods of propulsion. I would imagine that just getting off the ground is one of the most expensive and dangerous parts of space travel.
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:33 am
by I'm a John G
Rodney Johnson wrote:ok... but...
1. how does her solving the gravity equation get plan A to work? what advantage does it lend her? why couldn't plan A work just by knowing which planet to go to? why did she need to solve the equation, and how did solving it save humanity?
2. that still doesn't answer where the other gravitational anomalys were coming from. thats 50 years of anomalys unaccounted for? what were they? they weren't all in murphs book room...
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I don't know about the second question, but the answer to the first part has to do with using and controlling gravity. If you can control/manipulate gravity you can put a space station into orbit or travel to distant places with far less effort than using traditional methods of propulsion. I would imagine that just getting off the ground is one of the most expensive and dangerous parts of space travel.
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that makes sense.
so basically, they had little trouble getting the smaller ships like Endurance and Lazarus to those planets, but it was near impossible to get the Plan A ship there without the equation... i can buy that.
another question i just remembered,
there's 3 ships in total, right? the centrifuge ship (Endurance?) and the 2 mini-ships that connects to it (Lander and Ranger).. so when Cooper detaches from the centrifuge to fall into the black hole, i'm a little confused... because...
1. Dr. Mann destroyed one of the ships when he failed to dock the ships.
2. TARS used one of the ships to fall into the black hole
3. Cooper used the last ship to fall into the black hole.
4. then Brand takes a ship to go to Edmunds planet.
isn't that one or two too many ships? or did they have a lot of ships that just weren't all in use? by that count at least 4 were in use, but i thought they only really had 2 to travel around in... what am i missing here?
i really need to see this again... soon
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:41 am
by Rodney Johnson
another question i just remembered,
there's 3 ships in total, right? the centrifuge ship (Endurance?) and the 2 mini-ships that connects to it (Lander and Ranger).. so when Cooper detaches from the centrifuge to fall into the black hole, i'm a little confused... because...
1. Dr. Mann destroyed one of the ships when he failed to dock the ships.
2. TARS used one of the ships to fall into the black hole
3. Cooper used the last ship to fall into the black hole.
4. then Brand takes a ship to go to Edmunds planet.
isn't that one or two too many ships? or did they have a lot of ships that just weren't all in use? by that count at least 4 were in use, but i thought they only really had 2 to travel around in... what am i missing here?
i really need to see this again... soon[/quote]
I'm not sure what the answer to that is.... I think I need to watch the end again. It's in the part that's all IMAX and will be a joy to watch again, and again, and again.
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:41 am
by thegreypilgrim
There are four ships, two of each type.
By getting the final information needed to solve the gravity problem, Murph enables the completion and use of the "generational" ships that we see at the end. And which I believe the NASA headquarters was supposed to have been at least a prototype of, right?
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:49 am
by Rodney Johnson
thegreypilgrim wrote:
There are four ships, two of each type.
By getting the final information needed to solve the gravity problem, Murph enables the completion and use of the "generational" ships that we see at the end. And which I believe the NASA headquarters was supposed to have been at least a prototype of, right?
I think that is exactly right and explained better than I was able to.
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 11:56 am
by I'm a John G
thegreypilgrim wrote:
There are four ships, two of each type.
By getting the final information needed to solve the gravity problem, Murph enables the completion and use of the "generational" ships that we see at the end. And which I believe the NASA headquarters was supposed to have been at least a prototype of, right?
right. i guess, more specifically, i'm just confused as to...
how that information enables the generational ship. like, why is TARS' information needed to get them up and running? the sheer mass of the ship?
and do you have an answer for the 50 years of gravitational anomalys? that one is still bugging me ((
thanks for reminding me theres 4 ships
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 12:11 pm
by willyjoel
The ending is pure, pure science fiction at its finest, the illogical that could be interpreted in a scientific way that may appear impossible to normal intellects, or "today" people. Because the general accepted theory is that if you can get pass the event horizon of a black-hole you would be "spagettified" or destroyed, yet, the enormous energy that is captured and absorbed by the unimaginable gravitational strength of a black hole can create enough "exotic matter' to form a "white hole" or another worm hole just pass the event horizon, which I believe that's where Cooper fell unto, thus travel backward in time but not relatively but within a quantum environment, hence the appearance of what looked like a box of "strings" (string theory) that he manipulated to communicate with Murph, and the fact that various moment in her life can appear simultaneously (just as atoms appear and disappear simultaneously and can be in two places at once in a quantum environment). Cooper did travel thru time, but then was expelled or sling-shot out of the white-hole/worm-hole appearing outside of the Saturn orbit mouth of the original worm-hole 150+ years later. Also, Cooper station seems to be inspired by the "Rendezvous with Rama" spaceship, and the "100 Year SpaceShip" project currently at NASA.
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 12:27 pm
by Sky007
What is the significance narratively and thematically of
the ending with Brand on the planet. Why end there exactly? I mean it was powerful for me, but did she find Edmunds there or did Cooper come to her?
Re: What is your interpretation of the ending? SPOILER ALER
Posted: November 5th, 2014, 12:32 pm
by Rodney Johnson
Sky007 wrote:What is the significance narratively and thematically of
the ending with Brand on the planet. Why end there exactly? I mean it was powerful for me, but did she find Edmunds there or did Cooper come to her?
She found Edmunds dead body there. She is covering and marking his grave at the end. Old Murph tells Cooper to go to Brand... to live his life. We can only assume he will find here and they will have a nice cup of coffee at a cafe somewhere like in TDKR.
((