we already had people dressing up as Batman in TDK.. it lasted for five minutes, why would they do it again?
[SPOILERS] TDKR Plot Speculation
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Yeah, they wouldn't I imagine. Batman is being hunted, anyone who dresses like Batman is obviously suicidal.Law_of_4 wrote:we already had people dressing up as Batman in TDK.. it lasted for five minutes, why would they do it again?
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i don't think the joker was insane at all. he was just a social deviant. he believed in chaos, he was anarchic. And those tales were just to scare people or make them think they knew something about him
The joker probably reasoned, since the people WANTED to believe there was a reason for him being the way he was, he would give it to them....he would misdirect them....thats why they couldnt predict his behavior the entire time. They tried to use logic and reason, where there wasnt.
Michael Caine's character confirms it, when he tells the story about the Ruby thief. That whole story was about The Joker. He's not driven by anything emotionally. He's doing this for fun.
The joker probably reasoned, since the people WANTED to believe there was a reason for him being the way he was, he would give it to them....he would misdirect them....thats why they couldnt predict his behavior the entire time. They tried to use logic and reason, where there wasnt.
Michael Caine's character confirms it, when he tells the story about the Ruby thief. That whole story was about The Joker. He's not driven by anything emotionally. He's doing this for fun.
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Agree with everything else, sort of... But he still smacks Batsy with a club, getting all emotional. Also, he likes to discover emotions under his knife...So you're wrong about that part.He's not driven by anything emotionally.
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you have to understand that Alfred is just a character.. his perceptions aren't necessarily the truth..talli wrote:
Michael Caine's character confirms it, when he tells the story about the Ruby thief. That whole story was about The Joker. He's not driven by anything emotionally. He's doing this for fun.
even i would like to think that the Joker was an erratic enigma but i doubt Nolan himself believes that (i believe he has quiet an intuition about people's psychology).. i agree that the Joker did what he did for fun but in my opinion he did it for his own reasons... and above all his own actions (dog chasing cars... though labelled deviant and abnormal by characters like Alfred), are in fact completely logical to himself and he acts this way to pleasure himself.. deep down we all know that the joker did what he did to show the world that chaos is "fair".. that the superficial double standards society puts up need to be exposed..
people who are greedy for money and material wealth aren't worthy enough to live because they don't fully appreciate life.. he wants to show the world that even without money and a good reputation he can keep on smiling.. he can improvise
i like comparing the joker character to 2 other fictional ones... Tyler Durden from "Fight Club" and Anton Chigurh from "No Country for Old Men"..
the thrill of "the game" is an emotion.. and i think the joker is very much driven by it
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Viral114 wrote:you have to understand that Alfred is just a character.. his perceptions aren't necessarily the truth..talli wrote:
Michael Caine's character confirms it, when he tells the story about the Ruby thief. That whole story was about The Joker. He's not driven by anything emotionally. He's doing this for fun.
every great writer uses one character to reveal the truth of the film. Alfred is that character. He serves as Bruce Wayne's moral compass, and enlightens him when he is stuck. Otherwise whats the point of writing such beautiful parables for him to speak? just because they sound good? no...its the writer, revealing through the truth through the character.
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granted that Alfred is Bruce's moral compass and the fact that he is a beautiful and competent butler, his character has limitations... i don't think his vantage point can fully acknowledge the joker's psyche..talli wrote: every great writer uses one character to reveal the truth of the film. Alfred is that character. He serves as Bruce Wayne's moral compass, and enlightens him when he is stuck. Otherwise whats the point of writing such beautiful parables for him to speak? just because they sound good? no...its the writer, revealing through the truth through the character.
in my opinion Bruce himself is in a better position to understand why the joker does what he does..
sure Alfred can classify Joker as a type of criminal due to his life experiences but i don't think the character
fully appreciates the joker's mindset..
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Viral114 wrote:granted that Alfred is Bruce's moral compass and the fact that he is a beautiful and competent butler, his character has limitations... i don't think his vantage point can fully acknowledge the joker's psyche..talli wrote: every great writer uses one character to reveal the truth of the film. Alfred is that character. He serves as Bruce Wayne's moral compass, and enlightens him when he is stuck. Otherwise whats the point of writing such beautiful parables for him to speak? just because they sound good? no...its the writer, revealing through the truth through the character.
in my opinion Bruce himself is in a better position to understand why the joker does what he does..
sure Alfred can classify Joker as a type of criminal due to his life experiences but i don't think the character
fully appreciates the joker's mindset..
you dont understand what im saying....its not Alfred that knows. Its the writer that knows....Alfred is speculating...The writer is revealing.
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And we are interpreting writer's reveral in many different ways...you dont understand what im saying....its not Alfred that knows. Its the writer that knows....Alfred is speculating...The writer is revealing.
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yeah but the writer reveals different themes through different characters (his own understanding and perspective is manifest in his fictional creation)... even the joker speaks in parables.. why limit yourself to Alfred??talli wrote: you dont understand what im saying....its not Alfred that knows. Its the writer that knows....Alfred is speculating...The writer is revealing.
though i must say that Alfred indeed has a stronger voice when we all look at the bigger picture..