^ Where to even begin
2012 Presidential Election
I'm struggling to not be rude, this is the most biased, blatantly misinformed, purely ignorant post on here I've seen in a long time.Beetles wrote:Why anyone with sense would vote for Ron Paul is beyond me
This, among other things from http://ron-paul.tumblr.com/:
Just a reminder..
*Ron Paul wants to stop American kids from getting a good education.
*Ron Paul wants to stop all social safety net programs.
*Ron Paul wants to end disaster relief programs.
*Ron Paul wants to change the 14th and 16th Amendments of the Constitution but he calls himself a “constitutionalist.”
*Ron Paul opposes all free trade agreements, while touting the free market.
*Ron Paul wants to stop co-operating with other countries in dialog and treaties that promote peace and mutual understanding.
*Ron Paul supported Reagan’s derided “Star Wars” program.
*Ron Paul supported the invasion of Afghanistan as much as he opposes it now.
*Ron Paul wants to change the 14th amendment thereby ending birthright citizenship for children born to aliens residing in the U.S., and would not give medical attention to any children of undocumented immigrants
*Ron Paul requested nearly $400 million dollars in earmarks in bills he voted against.
*Ron Paul champions the encroachment and inclusion of religion and prayers in public schools, saying “The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers.”
*Ron Paul’s “We The People” act would allow state, county, and local governments to ban atheists and people who are pro-choice from government.
*Ron Paul voted AGAINST net neutrality, which would prevent big companies like AT&T and Verizon from stopping internet users from having free & equal access to all online media.
*Ron Paul has opposed legislation fighting online child predators and online child pornography.
*Ron Paul voted against a nationwide amber alert.
*Ron Paul thinks guns should be allowed on airplanes and in schools.
*Ron Paul opposes affirmative action.
*Ron Paul Opposed renewal of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, originally passed to remove barriers to voting participation for women & minorities.
*Ron Paul opposes same sex marriage, and all adoptions that aren’t being made by couples who aren’t related or married.
*Ron Paul opposes civil rights and discrimination laws: “We see people as groups, as they belong to certain groups and that they derive their rights as belonging to groups. We don’t get our rights because we’re gays or women or minorities. We get our rights from our Creator as individuals.” -Ron Paul
*Ron Paul defends what he describes as the states right to pass and enforce laws that regulate social issues including sex practices.
*Ron Paul is anti-choice, and states that a person is formed when the sperm meets the egg. He also sponsored the “Sanctity of Life” bill.
*“Capital punishment is a deserving penalty for those who commit crime” - Ron Paul, August 2007
*“Climate change is no big deal.” “Global Warming is a hoax.” -Ron Paul
*Ron Paul wants to tear down and eliminate all VA hospitals.
*Ron Paul has said he wants to remove the regulations that insure my water is safe to drink and my food is safe to eat.
*Ron Paul wants to build more nuclear power plants.
*Ron Paul was too busy campaigning to vote against NDAA.
*Ron Paul is endorsed by Kelly Clarkson..and the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan.
*Ron Paul thinks the disaster in Chernobyl was no big deal.
*Ron Paul voted against investigating BP oil after the disaster oil spill.
*Ron Paul is a lying sack of shit who needs to be reminded how bad his shit stinks.
*Ron Paul is nothing revolutionary.
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Remembering the abortion thread, I'm surprised at how many of you who are pro-choice are also for Ron Paul. SMH
I don't give enough of a damn to post much, but almost all those points are either wholly irrelevant to his integrity as a politician (he's endorsed by Kelly Clarkson and the KKK? Most politicians are supported by random celebrities and extremist groups- neither being indicative of anything, obviously).
Few things-
1.) He endorses gay marriage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz81lAwY0M Go around to the 2 minute mark.
2.) "Anti-Choice" His argument is a popular one found in every bio-ethics discussion since we had the technology to realize certain things, such as how the DNA strand present at conception remains unchanged to birth, and the reality millions would be alive if abortion didn't exist. I know this is a hot-issue topic on this site, but all the same, it's not an extremist view, merely one shared with many fellow doctors.
3.) About guns- "Q: You have said that the 9/11 attackers might have had second thoughts if they’d felt that some of the passengers aboard the airplanes might have been armed.
A: You’re quoting me incorrectly. I said the responsibility for protecting passengers falls with the airline, not the government--and not the passengers. The airline’s responsible for the aircraft and the passengers. If we wouldn’t have been dependent on the federal government to set all the rules, which meant no guns & no resistance, then the terrorists may well have had second thoughts, because the airlines would have had the responsibility. But we assumed the government was going to take care of us. After 9/11, instead of moving toward the direction of personal responsibility & private property & 2nd amendment, we moved in the opposite direction. We turned it over to the federal government. Private industry protects their property all the time. But here is one example when the federal government was involved and they messed it up."
http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm
4.) About education- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD8rJCbEVMg He believes people feeling entitlement to wealth other than their own is preposterous and the Government giving handouts to loads of people who can't pay it back only creates problems, which it has, the college loan system is one of the primary factors that have crippled this nation's economy, along with doing the same with the housing market. There's many factors, that goes without saying, but those are two big ones. This goes to lengths to identify his view on economics too, and had his economic plans been in place in the last ten years, a large portion of the debt crisis we're in right now wouldn't be happening.
5.) "Ron Paul wants to end disaster relief programs." Yeah- okay, like most other things, he feels this should be a state issue, not a federal one, as it'd only push up spending considerably along with heaps of other programs. If it's controlled by the states themselves, they can regulate it, have greater control, and so on, it all makes perfect sense.
Look at that, I discredited you without even criticizing ridiculous statements like "he's nothing revolutionary."
That's all I care to do for now.
-Vader
Thank you very much for that post Vader . You stopped me from putting Beetles post in the "dumb world" thread. Ill just put your post in the "what made me smile today" thread instead.Vader182 wrote: I'm struggling to not be rude, this is the most biased, blatantly misinformed, purely ignorant post on here I've seen in a long time.
I don't give enough of a damn to post much, but almost all those points are either wholly irrelevant to his integrity as a politician (he's endorsed by Kelly Clarkson and the KKK? Most politicians are supported by random celebrities and extremist groups- neither being indicative of anything, obviously).
Few things-
1.) He endorses gay marriage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz81lAwY0M Go around to the 2 minute mark.
2.) "Anti-Choice" His argument is a popular one found in every bio-ethics discussion since we had the technology to realize certain things, such as how the DNA strand present at conception remains unchanged to birth, and the reality millions would be alive if abortion didn't exist. I know this is a hot-issue topic on this site, but all the same, it's not an extremist view, merely one shared with many fellow doctors.
3.) About guns- "Q: You have said that the 9/11 attackers might have had second thoughts if they’d felt that some of the passengers aboard the airplanes might have been armed.
A: You’re quoting me incorrectly. I said the responsibility for protecting passengers falls with the airline, not the government--and not the passengers. The airline’s responsible for the aircraft and the passengers. If we wouldn’t have been dependent on the federal government to set all the rules, which meant no guns & no resistance, then the terrorists may well have had second thoughts, because the airlines would have had the responsibility. But we assumed the government was going to take care of us. After 9/11, instead of moving toward the direction of personal responsibility & private property & 2nd amendment, we moved in the opposite direction. We turned it over to the federal government. Private industry protects their property all the time. But here is one example when the federal government was involved and they messed it up."
http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm
4.) About education- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD8rJCbEVMg He believes people feeling entitlement to wealth other than their own is preposterous and the Government giving handouts to loads of people who can't pay it back only creates problems, which it has, the college loan system is one of the primary factors that have crippled this nation's economy, along with doing the same with the housing market. There's many factors, that goes without saying, but those are two big ones. This goes to lengths to identify his view on economics too, and had his economic plans been in place in the last ten years, a large portion of the debt crisis we're in right now wouldn't be happening.
5.) "Ron Paul wants to end disaster relief programs." Yeah- okay, like most other things, he feels this should be a state issue, not a federal one, as it'd only push up spending considerably along with heaps of other programs. If it's controlled by the states themselves, they can regulate it, have greater control, and so on, it all makes perfect sense.
Look at that, I discredited you without even criticizing ridiculous statements like "he's nothing revolutionary."
That's all I care to do for now.
-Vader
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Yeah I supported Ron Paul too, did my research about him back when GW Bush was president. But then I came to my senses. I noticed that a lot of his supporters say the same things you brought up Vader, but there are a lot of things about him that are the same as any other run of the mill politician. He says some good things, but tons of things I don't agree with. His supporters like to say, "he'll turn the power over to the states..." every time something like gay marriage or abortion is mentioned, but that's just allowing them to possibly fuck it up big time. Except this time it's not the feds doing it, it's the states. I like how "but with Paul the states will be given the power to do so" is a common reasoning You could still kiss your individual liberties goodbye, because what Paul really wants to say is that states will be in control of it instead of the federal government.
If you disliked the "humor" in the previous post, here's this bit (with evidence backing up these ignorant claims! *in the form of legislation-that will have to be googled):
And your argument on abortion is biased anyways since you're anti-abortion... of course Ron Paul is up your alley.
Nothing will make me "see the light" on someone who put his name on a newsletter promoting racism and homophobia. Plus having supporters like this says a lot:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron-pa ... ay-people/
and Stormfront. And the Tea Party. Nuff said.
If you disliked the "humor" in the previous post, here's this bit (with evidence backing up these ignorant claims! *in the form of legislation-that will have to be googled):
Nothing will make me "see the light" on someone who put his name on a newsletter promoting racism and homophobia. Plus having supporters like this says a lot:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron-pa ... ay-people/
and Stormfront. And the Tea Party. Nuff said.
Last edited by Beetles on January 21st, 2012, 11:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
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I welcome you to please go through ALL of the points and find evidence to the contrary. Of course I have links to other Paul statements (verbal and written) and legislation he's supported/opposed, but if you'd like to "begin," be my guest.movieman1005 wrote:^ Where to even begin
Those 2 very well articulated points made me simply let it go.Beetles wrote: *Ron Paul is a lying sack of shit who needs to be reminded how bad his shit stinks.
*Ron Paul is nothing revolutionary.
And with this, I will say enough for me in this thread. Times does not change, its always been the same. Just more modernized and connected is the only difference.
Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Repeal Indefinite Detention of Americans
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewN ... ans_120120
Only for this, he is worth the Presidency.
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewN ... ans_120120
Only for this, he is worth the Presidency.
This is just pure gold:
Rick Santorum launches CUM: Conservatives Unite Moneybomb
Offical site: https://www.ricksantorum.com/unite/
Rick Santorum launches CUM: Conservatives Unite Moneybomb
Offical site: https://www.ricksantorum.com/unite/
If she plays cranium she gives good brainium.