USA Presidential & Congressional Elections (2024)

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Batfan175 wrote:
November 12th, 2024, 2:37 pm
DonCorleone wrote:
November 11th, 2024, 1:11 am
I told everyone Trump would win! Nobody wanted Harris-Walz. They lost the popular vote, and the Electoral College Democrats are losers! :lol: Trump's victory vindicated 2020! Take that Fulton County Trump won Georgia! In 2024 and did better in the other areas. He claimed fraud in 2020 with the demographics he was supposed to have on election night 2020 based on the polling Trump won them in 2024! He grew the GOP into a big tent where everyone is welcome and made inroads with every demographic. Our Vice President Kamala Harris is the worst VP in history. She would have destroyed America. I'm so thankful to God she lost and hurt the down-ballot Democrats as well. They had one job to nominate RFK Jr. The DNC were fools and did not want him. He would have won. 270- 268, but they played themselves rolling with crooked dice. I hope it was worth it because they look pretty stupid from where I'm at and from the looks of things. They learned nothing from losing in 2024. The pundits blamed Gender and race instead of the fact that the record she ran on was horrible. It's interesting how nobody said McCain-Palin's loss was racist and sexist. You only hear that garbage from the liberals in 2020. Biden-Harris won 81 million votes, and all of a sudden, the left is calling America racist and sexist. It makes no sense. She's the sitting VP of the United States people. America is not a sexist or racist nation. She lost because life was better under Trump-Pence than Biden-Harris. She had alienated Young voters, Catholic voters, Hispanic and African American voters, White and Jewish voters, Arab voters, and Male voters. Women voters, with her dopey policies and the way she conducted herself.
Everyone who voted for Vance and Trump will soon experience buyer's remorse once Republicans cut everyone's social security and social assistance programmes.

You SAY Kamala Harris would have destroyed the US? Well, anyone who pays even a little attention to politics KNOWS that Trump will destroy the US.

You might enjoy the tears of liberals or whatever for a second. Have fun while it lasts. You got decades of a far-right (and pro-corporate) Supreme Court ahead of you. Don't come crying later. This is what you voted for.
I also voted for President-elect Trump. He was a terrific President from 2017-2021 and this time around 2025-2029! He will do even better! He won't have any swamp-deep state snakes in his administration. VP Vance presumably wins in 2028. The American people turned the page on the Obama era in 2024. There's no going back! Trump dodged a bullet in July, and the American people, the Israeli people, and the Ukrainians all dodged a bullet last Tuesday. Patriots saved this country and the free world from far-left lunatics Harris-Walz. As painful as the past four years have been. I believe the constituencies the Democrats lost in 2024 will think twice before supporting another Democrat. They saw far-left democratic policies, but help is coming 1/20/25 Democrats are out of touch with Americans. All they talked about was abortion, not the economy, not kitchen table issues like how things are twenty percent more expensive than they were four years ago. The GOP is the party of the working class. The Democrats are the party of pretentious rich people who live in a bubble. They don't get it, and they never will.

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With today's latest batch of votes in unofficially, Trump no longer has a majority of the popular vote, rather a plurality. 1.8 points ahead of Harris and shrinking.

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I don't think there's enough vote left out for him to become runner up in the people's vote, but his lead is very thin historically speaking.

Past 100 years: Electoral College % winners | with smallest popular vote margins [runner-up, plurality (largest share), or majority (>50%)]
2016 Trump (R) 56.5% | -2.1 [R-U]
2000 G. W. Bush (R) 50.4%| -0.5 [R-U]
1960 Kennedy (D) 55.2% | +0.2 [P]
1968 Nixon (R) 55.9% | +0.7 [P]
2024* Trump (R) 58.0% | +1.8 [P]
1976 Carter (D) 55.2% | +2.1 [M]
2004 G. W. Bush (R) 53.2% | +2.5 [M]
2012 Obama (D) 61.7% | +3.9 [M]
2020 Biden (D) 56.9% | +4.5 [M]
1948 Truman (D) 57.1% | +4.5 [P]

* 2024 results not final

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Daily Kos - No, Trump doesn't actually have an electoral mandate—here's why (liberal blog)
As the last votes continue to get tallied across the country, one thing is clear: Donald Trump’s victory on Nov. 5 is nowhere near the “mandate” Republicans are claiming.

On Monday, CNN data reporter Harry Enten broke down Trump's incredibly weak popular vote victory.

"Look, if you look historically speaking, Donald Trump is now under 50% in the national popular vote, barely under 50%,” Enten told CNN anchor John Berman. “Compare his popular vote victory to those, historically speaking, over the last 200 years. His popular vote victory ranks 44th out of 51. That ain’t exactly strong," he explained.

Indeed, Trump has the shakiest popular vote win since George W. Bush was reelected in 2004, and the latest popular vote margin is the leanest since Al Gore’s win over Bush in 2000 (Bush won by a single Electoral College vote, while Gore won the popular vote by 543,895).
Americans also did not show much confidence in Republicans downballot.

"In fact, I went all the way back to the history books, and this is the most Senate races that the winner's party lost in states the president won since 2004," Enten said. Democratic Senate candidates have officially won four states that Trump also won, and the Pennsylvania Senate race between incumbent Democratic Sen. Bob Casey and Republican challenger Dave McCormick is not yet called.

As for the House?

"You'd have to go all the way back before there were 50 states in the union to find a smaller majority for the incoming House majority" based on the current election count projections, giving Republicans a paper-thin 221 to 214 majority.

Enten notes that some of those GOP House members are set to leave their seats to join the Trump administration, making the already thin Republican majority even smaller.

"We are talking about a very wide win for Donald Trump. But the depth, it's not particularly deep,” Enten said. “It's actually quite shallow, historically speaking.”
Daily Kos - Trump voters f-cked around—now they're about to find out

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No modern-era president did more for organized labor than Joe Biden. Among other things, he was the first president to walk a picket line, bailed out the pension for 600,000 Teamsters at a taxpayer’s cost of $36 billion, helped radicalize billionaire Elon Musk by excluding him from an electrical-vehicle summit at the apparent behest of the United Auto Workers union, increased funding for the National Labor Relations Board, and stocked that board with labor advocates.

In return, the Teamsters refused to endorse a presidential candidate, and the union’s president, Sean O’Brien, spoke at the Republican National Convention, and 45% of labor households voted for Trump, compared with 40% in 2020, according to exit polls.

Meanwhile, Trump said this to Elon Musk: “I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in and you say, ‘You want to quit?’ They go on strike, I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike, and you say, ‘That’s okay, you’re all gone. You’re all gone. So every one of you is gone.’” And Project 2025 is an anti-union corporatist’s wet dream.

In other words, the leopards will soon feast.

One of the election’s most bizarre developments was that many Muslim Americans abandoned the Democratic ticket for both Trump and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, largely due to the Biden administration’s support for Israel in its war against Hamas. In fact, Arab-majority Dearborn, Michigan, went from a 69% Biden majority in 2020 to giving Vice President Kamala Harris just 36% of its vote this November. Trump got 42%, and Stein got 18%. Boy, did they send a message for peace!

In fact, the leopards are already dining out on this one. Reuters reported this on Saturday:

U.S. Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration's support for Israel's war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.

"Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his secretary of state pick and others," said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump.

These people are so devoid of common sense that they’re begging Biden to help them before Trump takes office. Yet the reason Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s far-right prime minister, ignored Biden’s peace efforts all year was precisely because he bet that Trump would be reelected, giving him an even friendlier U.S. government to let him do whatever he wanted. And these Arab voters played right into this transparent scheme.

Rural America has been the bedrock of MAGA support. This year, 64% of rural voters went for Trump, and just 32% for Harris. And the nonprofit news outlet Investigate Midwest finds that Trump won over 77% of the popular vote, on average, in the nation’s most farming-dependent counties. So you know the leopards are hungrily circling that crowd.

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Steven T. Dennis: "Looks like Democrats will end up ~7500 votes short of winning the House majority across three districts. That's the difference between having the power of the purse, subpoenas etc — or not — in a nation of 330+ million."

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Fred Wellman: "This is why every vote matters. I’m not spending my time trying to understand MAGA’s ever. I am going to spend time trying to figure out why people who are on our side stayed home."

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