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Joe Biden has been accusing Republicans of trying to cut Social Security and Medicare, but Biden suggested that very thing back in 1995. I'm going all in for Trump in 2024. I can't believe how many people backstabbed him in dismissing his candidacy.

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ABC News - Trump team turns over item marked classified to DOJ, sources say

CNN - Trump team turns over additional classified records and laptop to federal prosecutors

The Daily Beast - Trump and Kushner May Have Leveraged Presidency to Get Saudi Money

NY Times - Jack Smith, Special Counsel for Trump Inquiries, Steps Up the Pace
Named less than three months ago to oversee investigations into Donald J. Trump’s efforts to hold onto power and his handling of classified documents, the special counsel is moving aggressively.

NBC News - Special counsel seeks testimony from Trump lawyer as prosecutors allege evidence of crime
A source told NBC News that special counsel Jack Smith has asked a judge to allow prosecutors to invoke the “crime fraud” exception and sidestep attorney-client privilege

Trump 2024: Use Firing Squads, Group Executions for Death Penalty – Rolling Stone

Exclusive: Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows subpoenaed by special counsel in Jan. 6 investigation | CNN Politics

The Hill - Senate Republicans fear Trump repeat as 2024 field emerges

You R Senators had the opportunity to ban Trump for life by convicting him of impeachment for the insurrection. It also would have prevented him from potentially launching a third party/independent bid. You didn't with only a handful doing so. It's on you.

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NY Times - Jury in Georgia Trump Inquiry Recommended Multiple Indictments, Forewoman Says
She would not discuss specific indictments in the special grand jury’s report but noted that its recommendations are “not going to be some giant plot twist.”

The Independent - Grand jury recommended multiple charges in Trump Georgia probe
“It is not a short list,” Emily Kohrs told The New York Times. She said the jury appended eight pages of legal code “that we cited at various points in the report”.

She chose not to comment on who the grand jury has recommended for indictment as the judge chose to not release that information when publishing parts of the report last week.

Ms Kohrs told the paper that seven sections of the report that haven’t been released are about recommendations for indictment.

She was asked if Mr Trump had been recommended for indictment.

“You’re not going to be shocked. It’s not rocket science,” she told The Times. “You won’t be too surprised.”
Associated Press - Inside the Trump grand jury that probed election meddling
At least one person who resisted answering questions became much more cooperative when prosecutors offered him immunity in front of the jurors, Kohrs said. Other witnesses came in with immunity deals already in place.

Trump’s attorneys have said he was never asked to testify. Kohrs said the grand jury wanted to hear from the former president but didn’t have any real expectation that he would offer meaningful testimony.

“Trump was not a battle we picked to fight,” she said.

Kohrs didn’t vote in 2020 and was only vaguely aware of controversy swirling in the wake of the election. She didn’t know the specifics of Trump’s allegations of widespread election fraud or his efforts to reverse his loss. When prosecutors played the then-president’s phone call with Raffensperger on the first day the jurors met to consider evidence, it was the first time Kohrs had heard it.

“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said on the call.


Trump Defends Putin as Biden Visits War-Torn Ukraine – Rolling Stone

NY Times - Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump Subpoenaed in Jan. 6 Investigation
The special counsel overseeing the inquiry into Donald Trump’s efforts to retain power after the 2020 election wants the former president’s daughter and son-in-law to testify to a grand jury.

Vice - [Republican House Speaker] Kevin McCarthy Is All in for Pro-Coup Propaganda

Exclusive: How a box with classified documents ended up in Trump's office months after FBI searched Mar-a-Lago | CNN Politics


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The Washington Post - Trump can be sued by police over Jan. 6 riot, Justice Department says
Two U.S. Capitol Police officers and 11 Democratic House members are seeking to hold Donald Trump liable for injuries they suffered during the riot.

NY Times - Kellyanne Conway Meets With Prosecutors as Trump Inquiry Escalates

Forbes - Trump And Jan. 6 Prisoners Collaborate On New Song Called ‘Justice For All’

Definitely the shittiest Metallica cover of all time.

Huffpost - Donald Trump Jr. Mocked For Most Head-Spinningly False Claim About His Dad Yet

Trump proposes building 10 'freedom cities' and flying cars | CNN Politics


No, what we need is better public infrastructure, not dangerous unworkable fantasies and Bundy ranches.

The Washington Post - As 2024 race begins, special counsel advances with focus on Trump lawyers
Prosecutors have sought information from multiple attorneys and senior aides to the former president, triggering new legal battles

CNN - Fact check: Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech at CPAC


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NY Times - [NY] Prosecutors Signal Criminal Charges for Trump Are Likely
The former president was told that he could appear before a Manhattan grand jury next week if he wishes to testify, a strong indication that an indictment could soon follow.

Wall Street Journal - Special Counsel Asks Judge to Reject Trump’s Privilege Claims in Mar-a-Lago Probe

The Washington Post - Former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis censured by Colorado judge for false statements
Ellis acknowledged in state disciplinary proceedings she made false statements about the 2020 election to mislead the public

The Guardian - Prosecutors seek to question Trump lawyer before grand jury in classified papers case
Investigators are looking at invoking an exception that can bypass attorney-client privilege if legal advice is used for furthering crime
Federal prosecutors involved in the criminal investigation of Donald Trump’s retention of classified documents argued to a US judge on Thursday that one of the former US president’s lawyers should answer more questions before a grand jury over objections of attorney-client privilege.

US prosecutors have been seeking to invoke the so-called crime-fraud exception that allows them to compel testimony about communications between an attorney and a client when they have evidence to suggest legal advice was used in furtherance of a crime.
In the sealed hearing before the chief US district judge for the District of Columbia Beryl Howell, prosecutors argued that they had reason to believe that legal advice to Trump from his lawyer Evan Corcoran was used by Trump to obstruct the classified-marked documents investigation.

The development is the latest incident in the ongoing saga around Trump’s retention of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago Florida resort related to his time as president. The papers were discovered after an FBI search of the property amid accusations that Trump was seeking to obstruct an investigation into how and why the documents ended up there.


The Daily Beast - Trump [NY] Grand Jury Moves Into Final Phase as Key Witness [Michael Cohen] Testifies

CNN Poll: Most Republicans care more about picking a 2024 GOP nominee who agrees with them on issues than one who can beat Biden | CNN Politics

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Federal investigators examined Trump Media for possible money laundering, sources say | Donald Trump | The Guardian
Exclusive: New York prosecutors expanded criminal inquiry of company last year and examined acceptance of $8m with suspected Russian ties

ABC News - Exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, an ally of Steve Bannon, arrested by FBI

Miami Herald - He’s a Chinese billionaire and a member of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago. Is he also a communist spy? (2019)
A high-profile Chinese fugitive [Guo Wengui] — who belongs to President Donald Trump’s exclusive South Florida club, Mar-a-Lago, and has railed against China’s communist government — is accused of being a spy for that very regime, according to new documents filed in a federal court case in New York.


Associated Press - Stormy Daniels meets with prosecutors investigating Trump

Atlanta Journal Constitution - EXCLUSIVE: Behind the scenes of Trump grand jury; jurors hear 3rd leaked Trump call
The grand jurors said they understand why the public release of their full final report needs to wait until Willis makes indictment decisions.

“A lot’s gonna come out sooner or later,” one of the jurors said. “And it’s gonna be massive. It’s gonna be massive.”
Bloomberg News - DOJ Told Court to Expect a Deluge of New Jan. 6 Prosecutions

Or as the RNC once called them, legitimate political discourse.



The Atlantic - Is Ron DeSantis Flaming Out Already?

DeSantis (and other candidates) is waiting on the belief that indictment(s) of Trump will make him more competitive when the opposite could happen.

Politico - The Federalist Society Isn’t Quite Sure About Democracy Anymore

They know their bull**** isn’t popular so they turn to dreams of fascism and secession to obtain it.

David Frum: “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” (2018)

Kyle Griffin, MSNBC producer: "New on @MSNBC: Local, state, and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that Donald Trump could be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the preparations. @NBCNews"



USA Today - Donald Trump claims he will be arrested Tuesday in Manhattan probe, calls for protests

Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday | CNN Politics
Some of Trump's advisers had urged him privately not to call for protests, concerned about the optics of a mass protest in the streets of Manhattan growing out of control or resembling the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol.
Axios - Trump wants "violent clash" with calls to protest, [former Trump personal lawyer] Michael Cohen says

William LeGate: "I blew the whistle on January 6th in the days & even weeks leading up to it. The amount of calls for violence & terrorism I’m seeing from Trump’s base regarding his arrest far exceed what I saw leading up to January 6th. I’ve seen hundreds of calls to execute law enforcement!" "NOTE: DeSantis made it a FELONY to peacefully protest in the streets of Florida, and he legalized running over protestors with cars — it will be interesting to see what happens to Trump's violent mob on Tuesday!"

Politico - Manhattan DA Bragg privately warns of intimidation after Trump calls for protest
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg offered a private retort to Donald Trump’s message Saturday urging supporters to protest his expected indictment, telling office employees in an email that “we do not tolerate attempts to intimidate our office or threaten the rule of law in New York,” according to a copy obtained by POLITICO.

“Our law enforcement partners will ensure that any specific or credible threats against the office will be fully investigated and that the proper safeguards are in place so all 1,600 of us have a secure work environment,” Bragg wrote, adding that the office has been coordinating with the New York Police Department and Office of Court Administration, the administrative arm of the court system in New York.

Bragg added that “as with all of our investigations, we will continue to apply the law evenly and fairly, and speak publicly only when appropriate.” In his email, Bragg didn’t identify Trump by name, referring only to the “public comments surrounding an ongoing investigation by this office.”
The Washington Post - The Jan. 6 investigation is the biggest in U.S. history. It’s only half done.
Nearly 1,000 people have been charged to date, and a federal courthouse strains to handle what may be years more of trials
To date, roughly 1,000 people have been arrested for their alleged roles in the events of that day. In late October, when the Justice Department had already charged nearly 900 individuals for alleged crimes surrounding Jan. 6, the U.S. Attorney for the District, Matthew Graves, wrote to court officials alerting them that an additional 700 to 1,200 people may be charged.

That means prosecutors expect that the total number of people charged with crimes related to Jan. 6 may be somewhere between 1,600 and 2,100 people, according to people familiar with the letter. The letter was first reported by Bloomberg News.

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Politico - Trump indictment could land as early as Monday, sending law enforcement scrambling
A grand jury is expected to charge Trump late Monday or Wednesday, according to three people involved in the deliberations.

Georgia prosecutors considering racketeering and conspiracy charges in probe of effort to overturn Trump's 2020 loss, source says | CNN Politics

The Hill - Trump moves to quash Georgia election probe


Huffpost - Tucker Carlson’s Ex-Producer Called Election Deniers ‘Terrorists... Cousin ****ing Types’
In a lawsuit against Fox News by Dominion Voting Systems, internal texts show network talent expressed frustration with Trump's lies but still gave them airtime.

Alternet - 'All-out war’: Trump attorney says ex-president will be 'loud and proud' during indictment

‘anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law’

Only a garbage attorney would be telling his client to keep talking. But that’s who Trump wants.

CNN - DeSantis needles Trump as he breaks silence on hush money case

Business Insider - Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that his phone got hacked by the 'radical left' when he dialed into an evening prayer session with Roger Stone and Michael Flynn



Kyle Griffin, MSNBC producer: "Breaking: A Fox producer who has worked with Maria Bartiromo and Tucker Carlson has filed lawsuits against the company in New York and Delaware, accusing Fox lawyers of coercing her into giving misleading testimony in the Dominion legal battle." NY Times - Fox Producer Says She Was Set Up in Dominion Case

Business Insider - Trump's looming indictment causes his feud with DeSantis to boil over into insults and insinuations about a 'porn star' and 'underage' classmates

The Independent - DeSantis drops to lowest support in GOP polls after mocking Trump over indictment


The more DeSantis and Trump attack each other, the higher in esteem Trump rises and DeSantis falls among Republican voters.

NY Times: "As Donald Trump claims he is ready for his perp walk, those who have spent time with the former president in recent days say he has often appeared significantly disconnected from the severity of his potential legal woes." NY Times - Trump at Mar-a-Lago: Magical Thinking and a Perp-Walk Fixation

CBS News - Sources: New York grand jury investigation into former President Trump is nearly done (video)

ABC News - Sources: Special counsel claims Trump deliberately misled his attorneys about classified documents, judge wrote
The judge said there could be indications of criminal violations, per sources.

Trump attorney to testify Friday in Mar-a-Lago classified documents investigation after losing appeal | CNN Politics

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The Independent - Trump posts picture of himself wielding baseball bat next to Alvin Bragg’s head
Donald Trump sparked anger by posting a picture of himself holding a baseball bat next to the head of the Manhattan District Attorney
CNN legal analyst Norm Eisen also spoke out about Mr Trump’s post.

“Threatening a prosecutor is a crime in NY. In fact MULTIPLE crimes: Harassment in the first degree NYPL 240.25; menacing in the second degree NYPL 120.14; stalking in the fourth or third degree NYPL 120.45 & 120.50 And that’s just for starters….” he tweeted.
NBC News - Trump warns of 'potential death and destruction' if he's charged in hush money probe
The former president escalated his attacks on the Manhattan district attorney's investigation with an explicit reference to violence in an overnight post on Truth Social.



ABC News - Meadows, other top Trump aides ordered to testify in Jan. 6 probe as judge rejects claims of executive privilege
In a sealed order last week, Judge Beryl Howell rejected Trump's claim of executive privilege for Meadows and a number of others, including Trump's former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, his former national security adviser Robert O'Brien, former top aide Stephen Miller, and former deputy chief of staff and social media director Dan Scavino, according to sources familiar with the matter.
Meadows did not respond to ABC's request for comment and neither did an attorney representing him. Ratcliffe, O'Brien, Miller, Luna, McEntee and Cuccinelli did not respond to ABC's request for comment. An attorney representing Scavino also did not respond.
NBC News - DA Bragg investigating Trump received a threatening letter [to kill Bragg] with white powder

Law360 - Russian Emails Behind DA [Bragg] Bomb Hoax Amid Trump Probe
Russian email accounts sent a series of hoax bomb threats targeting the Manhattan district attorney and court buildings for three straight days this week amid a grand jury investigation of former President Donald Trump.

The unsubstantiated threats, now under investigation by the New York Police Department and FBI, were emailed to local government officials at a Manhattan community board, according to police. They came from Russian email addresses in the early morning hours on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, listing government buildings and schools as the targets of alleged pipe bombs, according to the local board official who received them.

"The FBI told me that they appear to be coming from Russia," said Susan Stetzer, district manager of Community Board 3, who read the emails to Law360 Friday. The board received four email threats over the three days, often sent from @mail.ru domains under different names, she said. The NYPD confirmed the board was the recipient of the original bomb threat on Tuesday.

The FBI declined to comment.

Separately on Friday, a suspicious white powder was delivered to the offices of District Attorney Alvin Bragg in an envelope marked "Alvin," according to the NYPD.
Business Insider - Staring down a possible indictment, Trump holds a rally in Waco. A Texas newspaper said the choice isn't a dog whistle but an 'air horn' to far-right groups.

The Guardian - Trump describes 2024 election as ‘the final battle’ from podium in Waco

The Independent - Trump campaign threatens anyone working for DeSantis

CNBC - Awaiting possible indictment, Trump rallies in Waco and vows to ‘destroy the deep state’

The Daily Beast - Trump Vows to Defeat ‘Demonic Forces’ —by Relentlessly Whining

NY Mag - Donald Trump Thinks America Is a ****hole Country

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