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Nomis wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 9:26 am
Why can't the US be more like Canada
because of MuH sEcOnD aMenDmENt

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I'm in the NRA any form, of gun control, is UN-American we don't win our independence without a gun.

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CountDooku wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 9:05 pm
I'm in the NRA any form, of gun control, is UN-American we don't win our independence without a gun.
What is NRA any form? I assume it is some United Nations initiative with the US government to not win their independence without a gun. But it's not clear what independence and what gun considering UN is a coalition of multiple governments.

And where is "gun control" if "NRA any form" comes from it?

Please elaborate :P

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Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law (2021)



Texas governor is a literal gun salesman.

Guns laws have become more lax over the past 10 years, not the opposite.

Huffpost - Child Gun Deaths In Texas Doubled Under Greg Abbott. Then Came Uvalde.

Houston Chronicle - Trump returning to Houston May 27 for NRA convention
Trump will be part of a slate of speakers on May 27 at the George R. Brown Convention Center. Gov. Greg Abbott, State Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw are also scheduled to speak to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Leadership Forum.
Gizmodo - Republican Ghouls Send Identical Tweets After 21 Killed at School
Politicians like Ted Cruz have developed a special formula for 'thoughts and prayers' on Twitter.

Telepathy and sorcery called prayer won’t stop the gun deaths from climbing.





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Gun Violence Archive - population density

CNN - 'Active shooter' incidents jumped more than 50% last year, FBI report finds

The New England Journal of Medicine - Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States
May 19, 2022

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If we can make the roads and vehicles more safe we need to be able to get the numbers down for firearm deaths as well.

Manchin and the Republicans love the filibuster* more than they hate dead Americans from firearms.

Business Insider - Joe Manchin won't budge on the Senate filibuster after at least 18 children were killed in a Texas school shooting
  • * Manchin didn't let up in his opposition to scrapping the filibuster.
  • * "The filibuster is the only thing that prevents us from total insanity," he told reporters.
  • * Democrats stepped up calls to address gun violence after a deadly elementary school shooting in Texas.
* despite its already over a hundred exceptions including the recent debt ceiling carveout

ABC News - Biden addresses nation on 'horrific' Texas school shooting: 'We have to act'
Just a week ago, he mourned victims of the mass shooting in Buffalo.




"Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still massed outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

"Let's just rush in because the cops aren't doing anything like they are supposed to," he said. "More could have been done."

"They were unprepared," he added.








Fortune - Lobbying by gun rights groups hit a spending record in 2021. They outspent gun control by more than 5x

NRA is doing well for a group that claimed to be bankrupt.

Mass shootings and bombings via drones from civilians are the future.





NY Times - In More Than 100 G.O.P. Midterm Ads This Year: Guns, Guns, Guns

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The Guardian - People in homes with handguns more likely to be killed, major study finds (April 2022)
Researchers find ‘zero evidence’ that living in a home with a handgun offers protection against homicide, with women at particular risk
The researchers calculated that for every 100,000 people in that situation, 12 will be shot to death by someone else over five years. In comparison, eight out of 100,000 who live in gun-free homes will be killed that way over the same time span.

Those numbers suggest the risk rises 50%, but Studdert said it was actually higher: in a separate calculation designed to better account for where people live and other factors, the researchers estimated the risk was more than twice as high.

In particular, the researchers found, people who lived with handgun owners had a much higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner. The vast majority of such victims, 84%, were women, they said.

Living with a handgun owner particularly increased the risk of being shot to death in a domestic violence incident, and it did not provide any protection against being killed at home by a stranger, the researchers found.

People who lived with handgun owners “did not experience such fatal [stranger] attacks at lower rates than their neighbors in gun-free homes”, the researchers wrote, noting that stranger homicides at home were “a small minority” of the homicides observed in the study.
“The reason people have guns in their home is for protection from strangers,” said David Hemenway, director of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. “But what this is showing that having a gun in the home is bad for people in the home.”
You're more likely to use the gun on yourself or have your gun used against you than using it to protect yourself.

Real life isn't fiction of the writers of Hollywood, books, and video games. Despite the firearm supremacists railing against the purveyors of the arts they are the ones that think how guns are used in them are the same as what happens in practicality in the actual world.

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U.S. President Biden's speech on gun control tonight:



He ran on this stuff.

The bad news is that 60 Senators didn't.

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Christopher Nolan's Interstellar actor Matthew McConaughey was born and raised in Uvalde, Texas, where the latest large scale gun massacre in a school took place. His mother was a kindergarten teacher that had once worked minutes from the school.


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NBC News - Masculinity overdue for a reckoning after mass shootings, child advocates say
Programs around the country are trying to reduce violence in boys and young men by changing the perspective of what it means to be a man.

NY Times - Gun Sellers’ Message to Americans: Man Up
The number of firearms in the U.S. is outpacing the country’s population, as an emboldened gun industry and its allies target buyers with rhetoric of fear, machismo and defiance.

It's no wonder mass shooters are when gun culture and culture* in general pushes toxic masculinity to sell as many weapons as possible.

* particularly straight white male supremacy culture that calls itself conservative or Republican



They only want media headlines to sow false impressions and to delay their opposition as much as possible, not actual changes. It's the same playbook Manchin operates from.

Democrats need to make Republicans feel some political pain for giving criminals unlimited weapons. There should be ads in every district of the relationship between gun makers, Republican lawmakers the gun makers fund, and the criminals that use them and make them money.

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