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She was speaking with sarcasm.

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MagnarTheGreat wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 7:25 am
She was speaking with sarcasm.
Yeah there’s other interviews with other actor’s like Kit and I think they all hate this season lol

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PowerDump wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 7:42 am
MagnarTheGreat wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 7:25 am
She was speaking with sarcasm.
Yeah there’s other interviews with other actor’s like Kit and I think they all hate this season lol
Probably why Emilia said episode 5 was amazing last week... LOL
Dislike the episode if you want but don't put words in people's mouth, just to help you hate on D&D!

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Demoph wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 8:03 am
PowerDump wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 7:42 am
MagnarTheGreat wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 7:25 am
She was speaking with sarcasm.
Yeah there’s other interviews with other actor’s like Kit and I think they all hate this season lol
Probably why Emilia said episode 5 was amazing last week... LOL
Dislike the episode if you want but don't put words in people's mouth, just to help you hate on D&D!
And it wasn’t amazing, so?

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David Benioff was the main writer of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the worst X-Men related movie. He's just returning to his roots of nonsense since the show's been going downhill in a blaze since they ran out of book material. D.B. Weiss doesn't even have a filmography. Before Star Wars (hey Disney 'Lucas'film, try hiring some more family friendly experienced writers), they both wanted to make a Confederacy/slavery revival show on HBO (yes really). I can only imagine what they'd do with that white supremacist fanfiction since HBO loves making their stars get naked for erotica and used to put outright porn on the network.

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D&D did a terrific job adapting GRRM's books, even with season 5 imo, which was based on two bloated books where less important stuff happened than in ASoS alone. I also liked season 6 a lot, which contains some of the best episodes of the entire show, which aren't even based on GRRM material at all. Season 7 and 8 are incredibly rushed though.
I just don't get why D&D set themselves the 13 episode limit to conclude everything. We know HBO would've been okay with more episodes and/or seasons, so I don't understand why they choose to rush to the ending like this. Just why?

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May 13th, 2019, 6:26 am
I agree with those who feel that all of this is rushed. I don't want to convince all the others, but I also feel that there are some basic problems with screenwriting and maybe even directing here. I know it sounds arrogant to say that I'm smarter than a professional HBO writer, so excuse my language. Still, these are my thoughts:
I don't want to say that I could've done it better, but it really feels like GoT Season 8 falls into the same trap as most average TV shows: motivations are spoken out loud instead of being truly developed, and that's my main problem - a problem that, for me, was too obvious in last night's episode.

I just didn't understand why Daenerys would go on demolishing the city and its citizens. To me it wasn't build up properly: I know she was told NOT to do that, and the bells were mentioned several times. I also understand that she was portrayed more and more frustrated with how things are turning out with Jon, his ancestry, how she feels alone etc. etc. but it always felt like these quasi-motivations are being crammed down my throat. It was too fast and it was spoken out loud instead of being fully developed.

These same plot points and character traits could've worked perfectly if all this were explored in greater detail, I think. This whole season needs a few episodes. There's a reason why it's difficult to portray certain things in a short film that work perfectly in a feature length movie. Some character motivations, some stories really need time to be developed. And I think, in season 8, there's not much time. Instead, it feels like we are told of the motivations and we have no choice but to go along with it. But that's why a chunk of the GoT audience feels left behind.

And the other part of the audience enjoys this, and it's fine. I don't want to take it away from them :D But I feel like characters, their motivations and the overall plot are not consistent all the time, and often they feel rushed and/or forced. Forced by the screenwriter(s). My gold standard for fully developed, consistent characters is usually The Wire which is, plotwise, the complete opposite of GoT. Still, The Wire had some moments throughout its run that were just as shocking to witness as any of the memorable twists in earlier GoT seasons. And that's why setting and story doesn't count: it's the characters, their motivations, the way they are written and developed, their consistency. Some may say the Red Wedding is one of the most shocking moments in TV history: to me it was that one time one of the lieutenants in The Wire talked back to his superior in a meeting. And it's because it was built up perfectly.

Anyway, sorry for the over-analysis of this, but these are the reasons these episodes don't work for me, even if they are spectacular, action-driven and enjoyable on an audio-visual level. And I'm still really pissed that they just finished the whole white walker plotline, which has been kind of the backdrop for ALL THE SEASONS, with one episode. And that's it. They don't even mention them anymore. It really leaves a huge, huge gap in the whole series.
Keep in mind, films accomplish development in two hours; they don't always have to be slowly drawn out over the course of multiple episodes.
When she's on the dragon and hearing the bell ring, you can see her processing her victory, in sheer disbelief at how easy it was, making everything that she had lost be for nothing.

She realizes that if she had just followed her gut from the start, then she would have won the throne and still have all her dragons and the people that truly loved her.

It would have been so easy to hammer the message home during that scene by cutting to flashbacks of her:
- losing two dragon, her army, Jorah, Missandei, the love of Jon, for whom she sacrificed so much
- sitting completely alone while Jon, whose claim to the throne would supersede hers, is surrounded by people who love him
- being betrayed by one adviser, and being given bad advice after bad advice by her other adviser
- etc.

But instead, it just shows her expression slowly darkening into pure rage, and I liked that.

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MagnarTheGreat wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 8:21 am
David Benioff was the main writer of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the worst X-Men related movie. He's just returning to his roots of nonsense since the show's been going downhill in a blaze since they ran out of book material.
mm yeah, blame Benioff who wrote the first draft possibly as early as 2004, when this project was first starting to be built, not Skip Woods, who wrote the final draft and ruined Hitman twice, not to mention David Ayer, Scott Silver and James Vanderbilt also did rewrites on it (allegedly the script was too mature and brutal, originally R rated, but the rewrites made it PG-13, google tells ya)

but yeah, I doubt any of that will stop this Benioff=Tommy Wisczeau=Hitler meme from taking over the internet
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God, I wish I didn’t spend time reading others’ reactions on previous episodes, treatment of Daenerys, etc. on places like reddit or twitter. Watching this episode I realized I could barely tune out of that headspace, I just kept remembering “oh are people going to hate this”.

I never was a fan of Daenerys. I never wanted her on the Iron Throne. I had a difficult time seeing past her pompous ‘riiiiiightful queeeeeen and fire and blood’ shit. She was always a 'conqueror' from (almost) the very start.
So in my eyes, the most legit criticism lies not in the actual story, but how this specific story came to fruition - writing/plot.
People are angry the show “betrayed” them and Dany by "making" her mad instead. “We spent 6 seasons rooting for her and this is what we get” kind of stuff really confuses me, because I feel like I didn’t watch the same show as others or don’t remember it the same way or whatever. If fans spend x period of time wanting for something does that mean the show has to obey that even if ultimately it wouldn't be the story GRRM wanted to tell? I think there’s a massive gap between people hating the show for not giving them what they wanted, and those not minding the story, but criticizing the severe obstacles that we also got along the way. I’m amongst the latter. I wish I could rewatch the entire series to remember shit, but I always had a hunch Daenerys going the Mad Queen route WAS going to happen sooner or later in some capacity. I just think “how” it happened is.... so unfulfilling if that’s even the right word. After spending seasons hoping she wouldn’t end up on the Iron Throne, I remember actually starting to like her so much more before this season because she was at her most likable, calm and collected state. She wised up. I actually started mildly rooting for her. Then boom, she’s killing thousands of innocent people and destroying KL. And while she always meant to take what she thought was hers by force, and while there were moments of brilliance in this season (unlike a lot of other people, I thought her being all by herself after the Battle of Winterfell was GREAT even if I felt bad for her), ultimately there just wasn’t enough time to develop this properly. The way this was presented to us, it's actually so easy to forget/ignore the obvious hints from previous seasons and think D&D purposefully decided to destroy Daenery’s character for the sake of doing so (and coming across as misogynistic pigs). I don't know what else to say tbh.
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I’m honestly way fucking angrier about Jaime and Brienne. Fucking badass Brienne got played so dirty I cannot. If that was the direction they always planned for Jaime, they never should have made these two sleep together. It’s just... good god.

I did feel a tad bad for Cersei though. Unbelievable lmao. I absolutely loathed her guts, but her last moments felt so real and vulnerable.
But overall I thought this was a great episode. HOLY SHIT the Arya stuff. Fucking wow man. It brought a tear to my eye.

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Ruth wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 9:35 am
God, I wish I didn’t spend time reading others’ reactions on previous episodes, treatment of Daenerys, etc. on places like reddit or twitter. Watching this episode I realized I could barely tune out of that headspace, I just kept remembering “oh are people going to hate this”.

I never was a fan of Daenerys. I never wanted her on the Iron Throne. I had a difficult time seeing past her pompous ‘riiiiiightful queeeeeen and fire and blood’ shit. She was always a 'conqueror' from (almost) the very start.
So in my eyes, the most legit criticism lies not in the actual story, but how this specific story came to fruition - writing/plot.
People are angry the show “betrayed” them and Dany by "making" her mad instead. “We spent 6 seasons rooting for her and this is what we get” kind of stuff really confuses me, because I feel like I didn’t watch the same show as others or don’t remember it the same way or whatever. If fans spend x period of time wanting for something does that mean the show has to obey that even if ultimately it wouldn't be the story GRRM wanted to tell? I think there’s a massive gap between people hating the show for not giving them what they wanted, and those not minding the story, but criticizing the severe obstacles that we also got along the way. I’m amongst the latter. I wish I could rewatch the entire series to remember shit, but I always had a hunch Daenerys going the Mad Queen route WAS going to happen sooner or later in some capacity. I just think “how” it happened is.... so unfulfilling if that’s even the right word. After spending seasons hoping she wouldn’t end up on the Iron Throne, I remember actually starting to like her so much more before this season because she was at her most likable, calm and collected state. She wised up. I actually started mildly rooting for her. Then boom, she’s killing thousands of innocent people and destroying KL. And while she always meant to take what she thought was hers by force, and while there were moments of brilliance in this season (unlike a lot of other people, I thought her being all by herself after the Battle of Winterfell was GREAT even if I felt bad for her), ultimately there just wasn’t enough time to develop this properly. The way this was presented to us, it's actually so easy to forget/ignore the obvious hints from previous seasons and think D&D purposefully decided to destroy Daenery’s character for the sake of doing so (and coming across as misogynistic pigs). I don't know what else to say tbh.
Also, regarding Jaime
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I’m honestly way fucking angrier about Jaime and Brienne. Fucking badass Brienne got played so dirty I cannot. If that was the direction they always planned for Jaime, they never should have made these two sleep together. It’s just... good god.

I did feel a tad bad for Cersei though. Unbelievable lmao. I absolutely loathed her guts, but her last moments felt so real and vulnerable.
But overall I thought this was a great episode. HOLY SHIT the Arya stuff. Fucking wow man. It brought a tear to my eye.
Overall, I agree with most of what you say, especially Arya and Cersei. But, I may be misinterpreting, but it feels you reproach Dany's fans to react the same way you react with Brienne. Yes, it's terrible what happened to Brienne, very cruel, but that's why her arc this season was so moving.

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