Killers of the Flower Moon (2021)

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My one big worry is preservation of art.

I don't trust the cloud, I'd like to have an option, a solid medium. Marty ought to get this sort of fear as a huge collector.
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    m4st4 wrote:
    May 27th, 2020, 8:26 pm
    My one big worry is preservation of art.

    I don't trust the cloud, I'd like to have an option, a solid medium. Marty ought to get this sort of fear as a huge collector.
    I know what you mean. Like okay we have a lot of streaming services and you can access nearly anything you want, but what if it's gone the next day and you can't find it or you can't afford to subscribe to another service?

    We're going to have a new generation of lost films and shows when some streamers start to go broke.

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    lol, this is a perfect scenario of getting the best of both worlds (paramount theatrical distribution, Apple budget/full creative freedom), anyone who complains about this is insane.
    Vader182 wrote:
    May 27th, 2020, 7:43 pm
    This is great news. The idea of De Niro and DiCaprio is so enticing.


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    In a Scorsese film, very much. I do think it’s often forgotten they have worked extensively together already. Literally the film that made Marty discover Leo.




    THIS.

    Also apparently Scorsese himself rewrote the script. That may speak to his passion in this material as he rarely does this and did so with Silence and Gangs, the two biggest passions projects of his career.

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    Artemis wrote:
    May 27th, 2020, 8:28 pm
    m4st4 wrote:
    May 27th, 2020, 8:26 pm
    My one big worry is preservation of art.

    I don't trust the cloud, I'd like to have an option, a solid medium. Marty ought to get this sort of fear as a huge collector.
    I know what you mean. Like okay we have a lot of streaming services and you can access nearly anything you want, but what if it's gone the next day and you can't find it or you can't afford to subscribe to another service?

    We're going to have a new generation of lost films and shows when some streamers start to go broke.
    From what I know, according to American copyright law or something, it's mandatory to submit a copy to Library of Congress, of course only for American films. Though the quality and medium is not specified, for eg. even a DVD might suffice. So these films are not getting lost anytime soon. But yeah I don't know how active these streaming platforms are when it comes to preservation of their original films.

    The ideal preservation standard for born digital audio-visual works is LTO tapes, for now. If it's on cloud, it's not exactly preserved.

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    Mind you we still don't know for sure how Apple TV+ will be in play here. It could be like Amazon in its pre Aeronauts/The Post days and with The Goldfinch where the film still gets traditional home entertainment before it goes onto SVOD, instead of going on the service in place of that.

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    Interesting to see that

    -Scorsese rewrote himself the script... it's only the sixth time in his career (Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Age of Innocence, Casino, Silence)

    -That his rewrite was considered less conventional/interesting for Paramount

    Here is what he said a couple of months ago
    Scorsese said he is more interested in exploring the mentality that leads people into committing a genocide.

    “The history of civilization goes back to Mesopotamia. The Hittites are invaded by another people, they disappear and later, it is said that they have been assimilated, or rather, absorbed...It is fascinating to see this mentality which is reproduced in other cultures, through two world wars. And which is therefore timeless, I think. Finally, this is the film that we are going to try to make,” the director added.
    This is gonna be something special

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    Now Where Was I ? wrote:
    May 28th, 2020, 6:14 am
    Interesting to see that

    -Scorsese rewrote himself the script... it's only the sixth time in his career (Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Age of Innocence, Casino, Silence)

    -That his rewrite was considered less conventional/interesting for Paramount

    Here is what he said a couple of months ago
    Scorsese said he is more interested in exploring the mentality that leads people into committing a genocide.

    “The history of civilization goes back to Mesopotamia. The Hittites are invaded by another people, they disappear and later, it is said that they have been assimilated, or rather, absorbed...It is fascinating to see this mentality which is reproduced in other cultures, through two world wars. And which is therefore timeless, I think. Finally, this is the film that we are going to try to make,” the director added.
    This is gonna be something special
    Also, the rewrite was so significant that Leo seemingly is playing a different character than originally intended. This character sounds way more interesting too.

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    JUICY DETAILS:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... al-1296394

    "But the studio wanted the budget — then about $180 million with a tax credit from New Mexico — pared down to about $150 million. No one actually believed that Scorsese actually would have stuck to that number but at least it would have let studio execs fantasize that costs might be kept in check."

    "Sources say things changed when the director and his star decided to revise the script. Originally DiCaprio was playing the good guy working for the then-nascent FBI. In the revised version, DiCaprio would portray villain Robert De Niro’s nephew, torn between love and the evil machinations of his uncle. A source with knowledge of the situation says Paramount felt that turned the film into a moody and less commercial character study — “smaller scale; same budget.

    DiCaprio is playing Ernest Burkhart, a truly evil motherfucker.

    "While a huge wager on the film no longer seemed like such a good idea, relinquishing a Scorsese movie was so painful for the top Paramount executive team that one studio insider told me, as this drama unfolded, “We’re not making it but we’re not not making it.

    Also an interesting tidbit:

    "While Scorsese has had his deal at Paramount since 2006, the studio has not financed any of his movies in full or in part since the 2010 film Shutter Island. That mountain logo may appear on the screen but Paramount merely distributed Hugo, Wolf of Wall Street and Silence, all of which were financed by others. The backers of Hugo and Silence lost a bundle, and the scandal and court action swirling around the source of that Wolf of Wall Street financing is still playing out."

    "The movie will get a full theatrical release around the world, presumably with a standard window (though the definition of standard window could change by the time the movie is finally made). Paramount will front marketing costs, but Apple will make sure it gets all that money back either from its share of box office or, if necessary, by making up any shortfall. Apple will also cover costs associated with developing the movie."

    "But a studio insider takes a more sanguine view, noting, “It’s a low-risk way to be in a Scorsese movie," he says. "And if it’s an Oscar movie, you’re on the invite list.” "

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    I love Scorsese but I do think his budgets are out of control for the types of movies he makes. He does have some responsibility to his employers to turn a profit.

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    radewart wrote:
    May 29th, 2020, 2:28 pm
    I love Scorsese but I do think his budgets are out of control for the types of movies he makes. He does have some responsibility to his employers to turn a profit.
    No.

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