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Panapaok wrote:
December 10th, 2020, 7:44 pm
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This image is just so fucking depressing :facepalm:

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Vader182 wrote:
December 10th, 2020, 8:31 pm
This season of Mando is low-key some of the best star wars since 1977 so you'll excuse me if I can't muster up too much cynicism towards Disney+ making a million shows. I bet a bunch of them will be good! The Acolyte in particular sounds great! So do Andor, Ahsoka, Lando and Bad Batch. Sorry!


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Yes, it's exactly what was on my mind after these announcements. I enjoy The Mandalorian and I think it is (so far) a smart TV show - smart in its simplicity -, so why not give chances to these other titles. Still, I can't help but feel that something isn't right with how all this works now, I'm not sure what it is.

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Cool to see Lando there (was Donald confirmed?) and Obi Wan sounds ok but the only one that really excites me is The Acolyte. Finally something completely fresh in this universe.

All the others I don't care about at all.

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Finally started watching Clone Wars on the regular and it's awesome. There's my Star Wars fix for the year. We'll see how the rest of D+ series go.

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From THR's former editor:
I'm betting I wasn’t the only one who chuckled when the news broke on Tuesday that the Patty Jenkins Star Wars film—the one that Disney trumpeted with a video of the Wonder Woman director saying her goal was the “greatest fighter pilot movie ever made”; the one that had a title, Rogue Squadron, and a release date, in 2023; and the one with the it’s-really-taken-this-long? designation as the first Star Wars film to be directed by a woman—was not happening. Well, not not happening, just delayed indefinitely, if you believe Disney. Scheduling problems, prior commitments, we’ll regroup next year, yadda yadda.

I talked to a few insiders this week that said the real culprit was the dreaded “creative differences”; specifically, Jenkins couldn’t agree on the script with Lucasfilm executives, including senior V.P. Michelle Rejwan. That’s not unusual, of course, but it’s a laughably recurring problem at Lucasfilm under president Kathleen Kennedy, say agents: Top filmmakers are dying to make a Star Wars movie—until they sign on and experience the micromanagement and plot-point-by-committee process. It happened to the Game of Thrones guys, David Benioff and Dan Weiss, who were hired to create a new trilogy but bailed. It also happened to Rian Johnson, writer and director of 2017’s The Last Jedi, whose own planned trilogy was shelved. Jenkins wasn’t willing to dick around, and she has other projects, notably Wonder Woman 3 at Warner Bros., where she enjoys more creative freedom. (Disney and personal representatives for Jenkins and Kennedy declined to comment.)
You’ll forgive my skepticism when it comes to Kennedy’s management of the Star Wars film franchise. Since 2012, when Disney paid $4 billion for George Lucas’ company and installed Kathy (everyone calls her Kathy) as his handpicked steward, Disney has sold billions of dollars in toys, books, games and merchandise; incorporated Star Wars lands into its theme parks; pioneered virtual production techniques at Industrial Light and Magic; and generated a slew of TV projects, including The Mandalorian, by far the most important series to Disney+. But when it comes to the Star Wars films—the basis of the franchise, and the skillset that Kennedy, one of the most successful and prolific film producers of all time, brought to the company—what a mess. It might seem hyperbolic to say that, given that the five Star Wars movies under Disney’s umbrella, beginning with 2015’s The Force Awakens and ending with 2019’s The Rise of Skywalker, have collectively grossed about $6 billion. But the litany of botched productions and missed opportunities could form the curriculum for a film school seminar called Franchise Mismanagement. Let’s briefly revisit:

-- A dormant franchise: After the commercial and creative disappointment of 2019’s The Rise of Skywalker, there isn’t a single Star Wars film project on track to make it to release before 2024, so at least five years between movies. Sure, there are 10 TV projects in the works—mostly for Disney+, which is what Disney C.E.O. Bob Chapek cares most about—but an extended absence from theaters isn’t exactly what then-C.E.O. Bob Iger wanted when he initially declared that fans could expect a new movie every year.

-- The production chaos: Remember when Kennedy was forced to bring in Tony Gilroy to completely overhaul director Gareth Edwards’ cut of 2016’s Rogue One, the first standalone film, which was “a mess,” at least in Gilroy’s words? Or when, on the second standalone, 2018’s Solo, Kennedy actually fired the comedy filmmakers Phil Lord and Chris Miller mid-production, reportedly for injecting too much…wait for it….comedy during shooting? She then enlisted late-career Ron Howard, and the bland version of Solo failed to crack $400 million worldwide, becoming the first Star Wars movie to lose money, while Lord and Miller went on to win an Oscar that same year for the brilliant Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse. Then on 2019’s Rise of Skywalker, she fired filmmaker Colin Trevorrow, scrapped his script, and desperately convinced Force Awakens’ J.J. Abrams to return—for a hefty price. One source told me that Abrams ended up making tens of millions of dollars on the project, and he would have made more if the film had performed as expected, which it didn’t because many found the story—bringing back the long-dead Emperor, for instance—to be a series of cynical retreads.

-- Which brings us to the baffling creative choices: Star Wars is tough because fans feel such personal ownership over the characters and mythology. Everything is scrutinized. But Kennedy’s management of those expectations seemed to shift film-to-film. Force Awakens, after a rocky development, was considered a well-executed mix of fan service and fresh characters. But after allowing Johnson to kill off Luke Skywalker and the villain Snoke in Last Jedi, Kennedy and Co. freaked when superfans didn’t like some of the creative deviations from the Star Wars canon. So rather than defend or extrapolate on his ideas for Episode IX, Lucasfilm just minimized or ignored them. The Force could inhabit anyone, until it couldn’t… that kind of thing. It all contributed to a sense that even though this is the premiere, A+ Hollywood franchise, the overall story wasn’t mapped out, and nothing really mattered to its overseers.

That’s what really baffles the film executives I talked to: The apparent lack of long-term planning or I.P. management for which Disney is typically the standard-bearer. Kennedy made five films based on the most beloved property in the galaxy and then…there was nowhere to go, no storylines to follow, no characters that demanded more, no filmmakers whose next installment the fans were jonesing to see. And because Solo flopped, everyone is going to be skeptical about any character-based standalones. Kennedy seemed to approach the franchise like a producer; just finish this movie, make it as good as you can, and then deal with the next one later. And it caught up with her big time.

I know it’s unfair to compare Lucasfilm to Marvel, a unicorn hit factory that is blessed with thousands of characters from decades of comics. But Lucas’ Star Wars galaxy isn’t exactly bereft of stories, as Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have proven with the Mandalorian spinoffs like the upcoming Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka series. (And yes, if I’m criticizing Kennedy for the Star Wars film output, I need to also give her credit for what Favreau and Filoni have accomplished, which is pretty stunning.)

But it’s obvious that Marvel’s Kevin Feige, a fanatic for his genre, sees the bigger picture, and anticipates what his fans want before they want it. He’s also got a group of creative lieutenants that can manage all the projects, allowing Marvel to release three movies a year, plus the Disney+ series, and successfully enable filmmakers like the Russo brothers (Avengers), who were directing episodes of Community, or Taika Waititi (the Thor sequels), who was known only for tiny projects; or Nia DaCosta (Captain Marvel 2), off the Candyman horror reboot.
After nearly a decade in charge, it seems clear Kennedy isn’t that person, and doesn’t have that team in place, for Star Wars to thrive as a film franchise. If Feige, who is working on his own Star Wars film, can’t take on all the movies, and Favreau and Filoni don’t want it, then Chapek needs to find some new blood.

Kennedy has a lot of good things happening at Lucasfilm, and I’m told she recently re-upped her deal for another three years. She’s a producing legend, up there with the best who have ever done it. But Star Wars as a film franchise is a disaster, and someone else should be given a chance to fix it.

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