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Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 8:27 pm
by Vader182
Bacon wrote: ↑December 12th, 2018, 8:05 pm
I think it's because, iirc, there's literally a scene where he speaks like a generic villain and says they're going to take over the world with their technology.
That's what bugged me most. They had an extremely complex character sandwiched between an extremely impressive set up and conclusion, but resorted to the same kind of climax one would expect when it came to the actual dismantling of the villain.
Killmonger's plan is to appropriate Wakanda's technology to re-enfranchise an impoverished and oppressed class in the U.S. and the world. He's taking the tools that supported Wakanda's pillars of privilege of apathy, their technology that could have saved millions of lives, and redistributing them. This is an allegory for seizing the power structure of the ultra rich White American and forcing wealth distribution to Oakland or inner city Chicago or Detroit.
It's not a generic plan at all but mirrors the Bolsheviks' seizing ships a hundred years ago, or the Continental Army ripping off canon caravans during the American Revolution. Maybe Che's strategy against Batista was "generic" too?
-Vader
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 8:55 pm
by Artemis
The thing I liked most about Killmonger is that he's right.
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 9:09 pm
by Bacon
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 9:13 pm
by Artemis
Bacon wrote: ↑December 12th, 2018, 9:09 pm
But he's not right.
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 9:24 pm
by Ruth
The girlfriend thing was eyeroll worthy, but I don’t get why
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 9:27 pm
by Vader182
Bacon wrote: ↑December 12th, 2018, 9:09 pm
But he's not right.
Killmonger is actually correct... it's the militant extreme of his beliefs that's too far. He's a Malcom X figure, someone whose father was killed at a very young age and cultivates a belief that black supremacy is necessary in a world without white enfranchisement. Wakanda
does need to distribute its technology to help the world and without Killmonger T'Challa never would have realized. Coogler validates Killmonger's beliefs in its conclusion.
Also: Killmonger isn't like Ghul at all. Ghul wants to destroy a corrupt society so it can rebuild itself over time, Killmonger's plan, again, is a martial redistribution of wealth.
Bacon, study history. Panther is extremely literate as it pertains to historical record. The French Revolution, which is the basis for The Dark Knight Rises, began as a just cause but quickly devolved into chaos due to their extremism as
Ruth just pointed out. Killmonger is a classic historical radical. People exactly like him have existed through history and will exist again.
-Vader
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 10:21 pm
by Bacon
I said Killmonger was like Ra's because both's general ideas are correct and both take them to extremes that make them dangerous. I understand they're different characters with different motivations. Jeez dude.
@Ruth: fair points. I just personally felt his extreme-ism was too standard. I would have liked more conflict and uniqueness, especially considering the directions his character goes in his backstory and ending.
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 10:31 pm
by Master Virgo
Vader is delievering the goods.£
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 10:38 pm
by Michaelf2225
Killmonger is the only good villain in the MCU not even Thanos comes close
Re: Black Panther (2018)
Posted: December 12th, 2018, 10:52 pm
by Allstar
Michaelf2225 wrote: ↑December 12th, 2018, 10:38 pm
Killmonger is the only good villain in the MCU
Wrong.
Thanos, Ego, Vulture, Loki and Zemo are not good? What planet do you live on?