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Ruth did say so.
And tbh, it really was predictable that Bernard was based on Arnold. Bernard Lowe, mix those letters up Arnold. Also us not getting to see the full picture Ford showed way back in the season. Of course we wouldn't get to see Arnold in the picture until the reveal of Bernard being based on him. Not to forget that Dolores also spoke with Arnold and we saw Bernard talking with her frequently.
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indeed, that surprised me as well. I couldn't place Ford and Dolores' tense backstory but this certainly fits lol.

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Nomis wrote:
Allstar wrote:People on here said they saw everything coming but yet I don't recall a single person here saying
they thought Bernard was based on the real Arnold...
That was predictable af.
Funny you never mentioned it before. :lol:

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Vader182 wrote:
Allstar wrote:People on here said they saw everything coming but yet I don't recall a single person here saying
they thought Bernard was based on the real Arnold...
I thought that was going to be the case for weeks. What really surprised me was
That Dolores killed Arnold.

-Vader
Yup, i'm with you on that.

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@allstar: You have noticed I never talked much about this here. Mostly because I deemed it more fun to speculate without the internet. People delve into all the little details and this way can unravel a lot which is to come, since it's all in the story and they don't just drop a twist on you without a single "hint" towards it.

This show makes you think and I like that about it. But come on, are you really going to tell me you never once thought Bernard was based after Arnold, you are also going to say that you didn't see the "Bernard is also a host" twist coming? Regardless of whether or not you posted it here. Otherwise you weren't watching closely, or perhaps too closely to what other people say on the internet.

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ComptonTerry wrote:Didn't think of that... but damn, Robert is one sinister motherfucker
It's cruel yes, but it's supposed to not only show how human he is, but that he's also consciously being a hypocrite.
Robert has gone on and on about human suffering and how it basically sucks to be a human being for basically the entirety of the season. Robert is and was always rooted in pragmatism; he did not want the hosts to have backgrounds rooted in pain. But Arnold's entire motivation for building these things were, I assume, to try to build an exact replica of his dead son. Hence, the direct inspiration for Bernard's backstory. This is where their split as partners and as good friends started to occur. When Dolores fucked up and murdered Arnold, it hurt Robert tremendously. He knew Arnold was playing with fire and got burned. It'd be like losing your brother who you knew went out driving drunk and ended up dying in a wreck. Grief stricken, he sentenced Dolores to a new narrative, a life of waking up with wonder and hope, only to watch her family be slaughtered at the end of the day. Every single day. Over and over.

It's completely hypocritical for a pragmatic Robert to do this but, that's why it's so brilliant. It shows how human he is. He feels sorrow and grief. He feels anger and bloodlust.
I think Robert Ford will go down as one of Nolan's best characters. It's a beautiful amalgamation of all the themes the Nolans have been obsessed with since Memento.
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Did anybody here think Logan actually cared about William? Until last nights episode I definitely would have said Logan never gave a shit about him, but I was wrong and he definitely does. Logan is still a douche but I actually kind of felt bad for him because he's right, William is getting way to caught up in this world. Logan Just wanted to go there and have a good time with his friend... and he has no idea what he just got himself into. Then again him cutting Dolores was a dickhead move and I don't have that much sympathy for him, I just never thought I would have any sympathy for him.

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The chapel scene is also one of the more daring takes on God and religion that I've seen in awhile. The idea itself has been foreshadowed quite a bit through the season, but still - seeing it manifested physically kinda gave me goosebumps.
I can't think of any other instance in cinema where we see people (err..robots) sitting in a church talking to themselves because they perceive their own subconscious inner monologue as a higher being. Alluding to us creating God out of our own minds has been around for ages obviously, but to show it literally is so surreal and striking. The music and camera there is also top notch.

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Nomis wrote:Ruth did say so.
And tbh, it really was predictable that Bernard was based on Arnold. Bernard Lowe, mix those letters up Arnold. Also us not getting to see the full picture Ford showed way back in the season. Of course we wouldn't get to see Arnold in the picture until the reveal of Bernard being based on him. Not to forget that Dolores also spoke with Arnold and we saw Bernard talking with her frequently.
predictable or not, I'm glad my ass was finally recognized on this board

Also,
Dolores killing Arnold was already within the realm of possibility, it was obvious she was gonna go cray in the past timeline and potentially end up killing someone important

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ChristNolan wrote:
ComptonTerry wrote:Didn't think of that... but damn, Robert is one sinister motherfucker
It's cruel yes, but it's supposed to not only show how human he is, but that he's also consciously being a hypocrite.
Robert has gone on and on about human suffering and how it basically sucks to be a human being for basically the entirety of the season. Robert is and was always rooted in pragmatism; he did not want the hosts to have backgrounds rooted in pain. But Arnold's entire motivation for building these things were, I assume, to try to build an exact replica of his dead son. Hence, the direct inspiration for Bernard's backstory. This is where their split as partners and as good friends started to occur. When Dolores fucked up and murdered Arnold, it hurt Robert tremendously. He knew Arnold was playing with fire and got burned. It'd be like losing your brother who you knew went out driving drunk and ended up dying in a wreck. Grief stricken, he sentenced Dolores to a new narrative, a life of waking up with wonder and hope, only to watch her family be slaughtered at the end of the day. Every single day. Over and over.

It's completely hypocritical for a pragmatic Robert to do this but, that's why it's so brilliant. It shows how human he is. He feels sorrow and grief. He feels anger and bloodlust.
I think Robert Ford will go down as one of Nolan's best characters. It's a beautiful amalgamation of all the themes the Nolans have been obsessed with since Memento.
Hopkins really plays the character brilliantly too. Age hasn't effected his acting. I hope he's able to make it to the second season, it would suck if something happened to him but he is getting old

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ComptonTerry wrote:Hopkins really plays the character brilliantly too. Age hasn't effected his acting. I hope he's able to make it to the second season, it would suck if something happened to him but he is getting old
Frankly, I'm not sure how much more we can tell of him. It's entirely up to the writers on how vague they want some of this to be, but it does feel like we're coming to the end of his arc. Especially if something major were to go down in the finale. Then in the next season, the other characters will have to live with the consequences of his choices, much like the later seasons of Game of Thrones. His legacy can come back to haunt in many ways. I'm just spitballin' though.

The problem is -- none of the characters outside of Robert Ford and Bernard are all that interesting. Once the mastery of Hopkins is gone, will we really care about this show much longer?

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