Why is Heath Ledger's Joker considered to be so good?

Christopher Nolan's 2008 mega success about Batman's attempts to defeat a criminal mastermind known only as the Joker.
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mchekhov wrote:
CorkyBrian wrote: No, what i meant to say is that tony in parnassus disguises his true self, and it isn't that obvious he is the villain, while the joker shows his true nature, the bad guy in him, which makes the character tony harder to play

it doesnt make the character harder to play. it just makes you make different choices.
Meaning he has to make more choices
Choices are good or bad
Having to make more choices means having to put more good or bad elements into your character in this case.Making it harder to maintain a consistency

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CorkyBrian wrote:
mchekhov wrote:

it doesnt make the character harder to play. it just makes you make different choices.
Meaning he has to make more choices
Choices are good or bad
Having to make more choices means having to put more good or bad elements into your character in this case.Making it harder to maintain a consistency

it doesnt mean he has to make more choices

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mchekhov wrote:
CorkyBrian wrote: Meaning he has to make more choices
Choices are good or bad
Having to make more choices means having to put more good or bad elements into your character in this case.Making it harder to maintain a consistency

it doesnt mean he has to make more choices
Prolly,but still more complicated choices than a straightforward villain like joker

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CorkyBrian wrote:
mchekhov wrote:

it doesnt mean he has to make more choices
Prolly,but still more complicated choices than a straightforward villain like joker

it doesnt mean that either. Every character has means of disguise.

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CorkyBrian wrote:Prolly,but still more complicated choices than a straightforward villain like joker
Who the fuck is this guy?

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I get what Corky is saying. He's saying that it's easier to play a villain like the Joker because you really have no restraints on how to act the part, you can pretty much just create your own character and highlight the more vibrant aspects of the character, where as with a more normal role, you're forced to restrict your ability to act in the confines of a normal person, therefore it requires more effort to make it come off as believable.

But regardless, I don't agree with Corky at all. What makes Heath's Joker such an amazing performance is not the fact that he simply played an evil character well, it's because his performance was able to trigger such a strong, and powerful emotional response in the audience. Heath's performance could have gone very wrong, but the fact that he was able to do it in such a way that perfectly captured the essence of the character is what makes his performance so great. Every line, every way he pronounced the words, the way he elevated his voice, smallest details down to the very syllables of the words and the smallest mannerisms, they all worked together in such a perfect way that the audience was truly able to see a character unlike anything they've ever seen before.

It's easy to play a villain, but it's f*cking hard to make a villain iconic and memorable like Heath did. Which is why his performance is so great. With art, sometimes it's not about how you do it, it's about the way the audience perceives the way you do it, and in this case, the audience was blown away, thereby making Heath's performance incredible.

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mchekhov wrote:
CorkyBrian wrote: Prolly,but still more complicated choices than a straightforward villain like joker

it doesnt mean that either. Every character has means of disguise.
You are contradicting yourself.You said:so you think it shouldnt have been obvious that the joker was the villain?

ok
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now we know what kind of moron we're dealing with here

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In this case i see no disguise

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CorkyBrian wrote:
mchekhov wrote:

it doesnt mean that either. Every character has means of disguise.
You are contradicting yourself.You said:so you think it shouldnt have been obvious that the joker was the villain?

ok
:roll:

now we know what kind of moron we're dealing with here

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In this case i see no disguise
just because he's not disguising the fact that he's a villain doesnt mean he's not disguising his motives, nature, etc. Just as Tony hides his motives, so does hte joker. And he lies just as often. The only difference is that it is immediately apparent that the joker is a villain. But as far as choices go, there are as many to be made, just as complicated.

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mchekhov wrote:
CorkyBrian wrote: You are contradicting yourself.You said:so you think it shouldnt have been obvious that the joker was the villain?

ok
:roll:

now we know what kind of moron we're dealing with here

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In this case i see no disguise
just because he's not disguising the fact that he's a villain doesnt mean he's not disguising his motives, nature, etc. Just as Tony hides his motives, so does hte joker. And he lies just as often. The only difference is that it is immediately apparent that the joker is a villain. But as far as choices go, there are as many to be made, just as complicated.
What do you mean he is disguising his motives, "Some people just wanna watch the world burn" seems pretty straightforward to me.HE just wants anarchy.And lying is just one of the many methods to reach this kind of evil/anarchy

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CorkyBrian wrote:
mchekhov wrote:
just because he's not disguising the fact that he's a villain doesnt mean he's not disguising his motives, nature, etc. Just as Tony hides his motives, so does hte joker. And he lies just as often. The only difference is that it is immediately apparent that the joker is a villain. But as far as choices go, there are as many to be made, just as complicated.
What do you mean he is disguising his motives, "Some people just wanna watch the world burn" seems pretty straightforward to me.HE just wants anarchy.And lying is just one of the many methods to reach this kind of evil/anarchy

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