Plot Holes
Posted: July 23rd, 2012, 3:49 pm
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More hostages and or Wuertz could have thrown him off from the police radio the same way he did to the police. He didn't know Wuertz was bent at the time otherwise he would have got him arrested before Dent's kidnapping.Skyab23 wrote:There are plot holes in the film, but I think an answer that applies to many of the Joker's schemes is that
1. The car comes from behind him and he already has the mask on by the time he's inside the car. The mask was off (as shown from behind) so that the driver could see it and know that who they're picking up is the right guy.gumbo wrote:Hi. I have a couple of questions about the plot. Would greatly appreciate your help.
1. In the opening segment, Joker stands with his mask off until the car comes right next to him, when he puts the mask on. That means the people in the car must have seen his face. However, they proceed to talk about him in 3rd person and as though he's not actually participating. They also confirm - each one of them - that they have spoken to Joker personally before, so they should be 100% sure it was him there waiting for the car. Am I missing something here? Help.
2. At about 1h5m, Batman drops the mafia boss from the roof - next scene, he suddenly appears near Dent, to stop him from his coin flip game with some lunatic. How did Batman know where Dent is and that he has to go there?
3. Dent gives his double-heads coin to Rachel before the accident. So I assume the burnt side is from Rachel's accident, not Dent's. When he wakes up in the hospital, he sees the coin next to him on the table. How did they know it's his coin and so important to him that they took it from Rachel's remains and put it next to Dent?
Because it was all part of the plan. See. They did this before they set the plan into motion. And again, GCPD are stupid. they use the dogs to check the bridges but not the hosbitals or ferries.darthnazgul wrote:After a recent rewatch of Begins and The Dark Knight I spotted a plot hole in the latter that I don't think is easy to dismiss. It's not microwaves level of stupid but it's still a pretty big one. I'll mention a minor one first, though.
1. How did Joker get so many explosives into the hospital? Judging by the explosion, they were spread out around the whole building, perhaps more than what was needed to take it out. Didn't anyone notice?
2. The explosives on the ferries. This is the big one, in addition to raising the question in the previous plot hole. How did they get so many drums of gasoline without anyone noticing? Surely the staff would check the whole boat to see if they had additional room. Now let's give this one the benefit of the doubt and just roll with the fact that Joker had a couple of goons sneak the barrels aboard. At first this is easily dismissed, however if he did indeed have henchmen or even moles in the ferries' staff then this raises another question.
Why didn't they blow the other boat up? Jokers' men are obviously afraid of him and wouldn't want to risk getting themselves blown up, so they'd want to screw over the other ship so they can live (and before you bring up the possibility that the triggers were for their own bombs and that the Joker was lying, the guy does lie to his own henchmen). So then, let's assume that the henchmen simply weren't on the boat. This pretty much brings it all full circle to the question of how they got the drums aboard, along with the new question of why they didn't stay and assure nobody would discover the explosives before the time was right.
Yes, but one thing remains though: Joker was standing in the sidewalk, in the middle of the day, in plain view with his mask off. I assume his figure (make-up, clothes and green hair) would've caught the attention of anybody else who walked past him in the streets. Not quite "low-profile" for someone who is about to rob a bank. Not to mention the rest of the gang, driving around in clown masks. Also, the other team blows up a window in a busy part of town. Wouldn't all that glass fall on people in the street bellow? or wouldn't somebody at least notice that glass hitting the sidewalk, look up, and see those guys crossing on the cable?dafox wrote:1. The car comes from behind him and he already has the mask on by the time he's inside the car. The mask was off (as shown from behind) so that the driver could see it and know that who they're picking up is the right guy.gumbo wrote: 1. In the opening segment, Joker stands with his mask off until the car comes right next to him, when he puts the mask on. That means the people in the car must have seen his face. However, they proceed to talk about him in 3rd person and as though he's not actually participating. They also confirm - each one of them - that they have spoken to Joker personally before, so they should be 100% sure it was him there waiting for the car. Am I missing something here? Help.
I thought about that too. The logistics of the Joker's terrorist acts are pretty grand and demanding. He says "gunpowder, dynamite and gasoline are cheap", but in that amount? Just to move and place all those explosives (into the precinct, both warehouses, the hospital and both ferries) would require some serious work, not to mention that he did it without anybody noticing (how stupid is the people and the authorities of Gotham?). One more thing: he would also need an experienced demolition engineer to rig and place the explosives in the right place to cause the desired fx. Plus: he blows up the precinct, everybody gets blown but him?darthnazgul wrote: 1. How did Joker get so many explosives into the hospital? Judging by the explosion, they were spread out around the whole building, perhaps more than what was needed to take it out. Didn't anyone notice?
2. The explosives on the ferries. This is the big one, in addition to raising the question in the previous plot hole. How did they get so many drums of gasoline without anyone noticing?