Outlaw King (2018)

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Allstar wrote:
November 9th, 2018, 1:41 am
Apparently McKenzie greatly improved the film from the TIFF cut. Basically from a mess to quite good. They should delete all tiff reviews on rottentomatoes since no one will ever see that cut and it’s a different movie. Would have a fresh score if you deleted the tiff cut reviews for sure.
Allstar raises a good point in general. I've been bringing up this problem for years to the deaf ears of my fake colleagues.

For example, You Were Never Really Here (one of the best movies this year and a masterpiece) had a few significant changes between Cannes and theatrical release. So for better or worse, the cut reviewed at Cannes is not the cut reviewed here.

There should be a protocol for this.


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ArmandFancypants wrote:
September 9th, 2017, 11:19 am
Since John Comyn is cast, fascinated as to how they're going to spin the murder and not make Bruce look like a massive douche.
...by making Comyn a massive douche of course. Probably fair enough.

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this is totally bizarre

it's like a fan-edit of an entire season of tv slimmed into a two hour movie


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Lol this is woeful

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This was damn good. Great visuals, everything seems to be shot on location and the battles scenes are intense and violent as fuck. 8/10 will watch again.. oh and the music was glorious

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ArmandFancypants wrote:
November 9th, 2018, 11:47 pm
Lol this is woeful
What was so bad about it?

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Allstar wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 3:06 pm
ArmandFancypants wrote:
November 9th, 2018, 11:47 pm
Lol this is woeful
What was so bad about it?
Apart from the fact that I'm not certain Mackenzie can direct, and the common cheapness of action scenes at night, the story is thin-to-non-existent. Bruce becomes king and then is ritually hounded and loses his family before deciding to have a battle. That's... not a story. The characters aren't challenged by anything, apart from the Prince of Wales getting some stern but mild disapproval from his father, and Elizabeth de Burgh showing stronger leadership qualities than Robert (a high-quality funny).

There's also a strange comic tone that pops up here and there but that's insignificant compared to the lack of any real storytelling. If you're going to have a film about a man becoming king in the most extraordinary circumstances you would think the film might be about that? Instead of just "some people joined him, and some didn't, and the English were dishonorable so he made his army go and fight them!" Even Braveheart concerns itself with these issues better, and gives itself a Death With narrative to anchor and propel the action. Even Bruce in that film is depicted as a more complex, challenged character.

It's an absolute nothing that is built on whiffing the fumes of GoT without understanding what makes it work. And that's kinda criminal when you're dealing with something as fertile as the Wars of Scottish Independence as your material.

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Mackenzie directed Hell or Highwater and Starred Up, I think he can direct.

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oh yeah i forgot people were impressed with hell or high water

for some reason

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ArmandFancypants wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 6:48 pm
oh yeah i forgot people were impressed with hell or high water

for some reason
Yeah, so hard to understand.

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