How does Arthur stay asleep in the van?

[Dado]

[Mr. Jet]

Very, very, very nit-picky. Plus, some of the "mistakes" can be perceived that is/was indeed a dream.

[Dado]

Very, very, very nit-picky. Plus, some of the "mistakes" can be perceived that is/was indeed a dream.

Yeah, always wondered if the guys that make this kind of video don't have anything better to do.

[SilverHeart]

Very, very, very nit-picky. Plus, some of the "mistakes" can be perceived that is/was indeed a dream.

Yeah, always wondered if the guys that make this kind of video don't have anything better to do.

Some of them are pretty cool though. Like in Harry Potter 2, you can very clearly see the mark where Tom Felton is supposed to be standing in his first scene in the film.

The only one I've seen for TDK that's really prominent is Joker's hair color change in the bank scene where he takes off the mask. I don't recall him having a wig or anything during that scene, but for the rest of it his hair is brown the entire time.

[Bacon]

Yeah, always wondered if the guys that make this kind of video don't have anything better to do.

The only one I've seen for TDK that's really prominent is Joker's hair color change in the bank scene where he takes off the mask. I don't recall him having a wig or anything during that scene, but for the rest of it his hair is brown the entire time.

The one for me is when Batman's hand switches positions of holding Joker between shots in the interrogation scene.

[mchekhov]

he hadnt had a good night of sleep in a while

[Bacon]

The only one I've seen for TDK that's really prominent is Joker's hair color change in the bank scene where he takes off the mask. I don't recall him having a wig or anything during that scene, but for the rest of it his hair is brown the entire time.

The one for me is when Joker's hand switches positions of holding Batman's arm between shots in the interrogation scene.

FIXED.

[madcowre]

Because Arthur can do everything and anything.

[Tristy]

The consensus is kinda hard to follow on these sort of threads, and I'm not willing to peruse six pages of dense theorizings, so I'll just throw in my opinion. Pardon any redundancy.

Whenever I've experienced a "kick", it's not the sensation of falling that causes me to react, but that moment of imminent impact with whatever I'm about to collide with. I think this suggests that I awake right as I "die" in my hypnagogic dream. Therefore, I'd say perceiving yourself falling is just another manner of dying...and that makes you less susceptible to being awoken than just being at the mercy of your inner ear.... (Everyone knows you don't have to be falling to undergo a kick, right?)

You see this in the movie when Ariadne and Fischer commit oneiric suicide by plummeting from that building in limbo. They don't return to the third dream-level immediately as they descend: they instead fully experience their fall and then kick up to the snow fortress. It's not clearly seen, but, assumedly, they had smashed onto the ground for there to have been that stimulus.

So if a van goes from free-fall to hitting a river....

[kahern93]

That is true. Arthur woke up as the chair was falling during the demonstration of Yusuf's sedative, but in this scene, Cobb only woke up once submerged in water.
One idea: maybe a kick from the real world only requires the feeling of falling, while a kick from the dream world requires both the feeling of falling as well as imminent death at the end of the fall. Also explaining why Cobb's chair was positioned above the tub. He needed to fall into the tub, as well as feel the imminent threat of death from drowning.

Kind of a bizarre explanation, but it seems consistent with what happens in the movie. The only scene where the feeling of falling with no threat of death wakes a dreamer is waking someone from level 1 up to reality. Waking someone from a deep level of sleep up into another higher level seems to require both falling and death at the bottom of the drop.

Maybe. What do you guys think?

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I completely agree with this explanation. I've been struggling with the logistics of the kicks in Inception since I first saw the film. In the explanation Cobb gives to Ariadne, he gives Arthur a kick (tipping his chair) which pulls him out of the dream and back down a level to reality. However when the team is performing Inception, the kicks occur in the same level; for example the kick in the elevator brings them back to the van instead of the kick in the van pulling them out of the hotel back to the van. I had finally come to accept the conclusion that a kick can either be in the previous level/reality or in the current dream level can cause you to go back a level. Until I read your explanation, I was not fully satisfied with that conclusion. But I totally agree with the importance of the imminent death. In reality it is very much based on the inner ear, however in a dream state, I could be wrong but I feel like the visual of falling is more important than the actual sensation and that's where the knowledge of imminent death comes in. Its the waking up before you die that serves as the kick. As for questions concerning the purpose of synchornizing, I just think a kick can only work on the next level. The van falling can not pull them out of the hospital level. Therefore the kicks have to be synchronized so that the team is pulled back through the levels back in the order they went in and one at a time. However that does not explain how Cobb and Saito got out of limbo....