Religious Discussions

[Egami]

You guys are automatically dismissing the possibility of Jesus being a variation of other Gods and then you're attacking someone who points that out

Nobody is automatically dismissing anything. Such claims have no credibility. Do you agree with what Acharya S says about Horus in her book, for example?

-Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
- His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph".
-He was a royal descendant.
-At the age of 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30 he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
-Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptized" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
-He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns".)
-He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raiosed El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.
-He walked on water.
-His personal epithet was "Iusa", the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah" the "Father".
-He delivered a "Sermon on The Mount" and his follower reconted the "Sayings of Iusa".
-Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
-He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and ressurrected.
-He was also the "Way, the truth, the light" "Messiah" "God's Anointed Son, "Son of Man" the "Good Shepherd" the "Lamb of God" the "Word made flesh" "Word of Truth,"etd.
-He was "the fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Itchthys") Lamb and Lion.
-He came to fulfill the law.
-Horus was called "the KRST" or "Anointed One".

And the parallels she draws from this to Christ? I personally looked into each of these claims years ago and found them all to be false. I even have a document saved addressing each of them. People like her, the Christ-Mythers just make it up as they go along. It is not about automatically dismissing them, it is that their claims have no basis in fact.

[dafox]

You guys are automatically dismissing the possibility of Jesus being a variation of other Gods and then you're attacking someone who points that out

Nobody is automatically dismissing anything. Such claims have no credibility. Do you agree with what Acharya S says about Horus in her book, for example?

-Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
- His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph".
-He was a royal descendant.
-At the age of 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30 he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
-Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptized" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
-He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns".)
-He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raiosed El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.
-He walked on water.
-His personal epithet was "Iusa", the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah" the "Father". He was thus called "Holy Child".
-He delivered a "Sermon on The Mount" and his follower reconted the "Sayings of Iusa".
-Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
-He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and ressurrected.
-He was also the "Way, the truth, the light" "Messiah" "God's Anointed Son, "Son of Man" the "Good Shepherd" the "Lamb of God" the "Word made flesh" "Word of Truth,"etd.
-He was "the fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Itchthys") Lamb and Lion.
-He came to fulfill the law.
-Horus was called "the KRST" or "Anointed One".

And the parallels she draws from this to Christ? I personally looked into each of these claims years ago and found them all to be false.

I'm not familiar with her work and I don't know what effect you're trying to use it in. Why is it impossible for the life of Jesus of Nazareth to be fabricated?

[chom]

While it's absolutely true that there are no contemporary outside sources for Jesus' existence, that's true for a ton of people back then. There are limited sources for Pontius Pilate and Josephus, the Jewish Historian, too, and that's mostly to do with the fact that only three percent of the population was literate back then.

The likelihood is that Jesus just wasn't as big of a deal as the gospels make him out to be. Bart Ehrman is a well respected Biblical scholar, and he (along with quite a few other scholars) takes the view that Jesus was probably just a lesser known apocalyptic prophet who performed some miracles (which were actually kind of common back then), had a devoted following, got crucified by the Roman government, and his followers believed he came back from the dead.

This stuff is actually not that weird, when you take into account that Empedocles' (an early Greek philosopher) followers thought he survived death and now lives somewhere on the moon.

[dafox]

Which is more likely. The laws of nature have been suspended in your favor or that those notions were lies?

[chom]

Ah, David Hume. It's a fair point, but you've got to realize, these people lived 2,000 years ago. From day one, these people heard about prophecies, God overthrowing the occupying government, the entirety of society being flipped upside down, etc. They didn't think the way we do, so "magic musta' done it" is a fair conclusion for them to make.

Jesus was probably a magician. There were a lot of them running around back then, performing illusions, spouting off some philosophy, then getting killed by the establishment. Honi The Circle Maker and Apollonius of Tyana were these sort of guys.

[dafox]

Ah, David Hume. It's a fair point, but you've got to realize, these people lived 2,000 years ago. From day one, these people heard about prophecies, God overthrowing the occupying government, the entirety of society being flipped upside down, etc. They didn't think the way we do, so "magic musta' done it" is a fair conclusion for them to make.

Jesus was probably a magician. There were a lot of them running around back then, performing illusions, spouting off some philosophy, then getting killed by the establishment. Honi The Circle Maker and Apollonius of Tyana were these sort of guys.

Alright so these mystical phenomena were something of a banality back then. I rest my case.

[chom]

Well, yeah. Philosophers and Messiahs were the original superheroes back in those times.

About Honi: "There are two accounts of Honi's death. In the Talmud he is said to have fallen into a long sleep, to wake up after 70 years. When nobody would believe that he was indeed Honi the Circle-drawer, he prayed to God and God took him from this world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honi_ha-M%27agel#Circle_drawing_incident

Appolonius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana

Diogenes of Sinope is probably my favorite, though. His superpower seemed to be more about trolling the shit out of society at large:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope
Diogenes taught by living example. He tried to demonstrate that wisdom and happiness belong to the man who is independent of society and that civilization is regressive. He scorned not only family and political social organization, but also property rights and reputation. He even rejected normal ideas about human decency. Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace,[41] urinated on some people who insulted him,[42] defecated in the theatre,[43] masturbated in public, and pointed at people with his middle finger.[44]
From "Life of Diogenes": "Someone took him [Diogenes] into a magnificent house and warned him not to spit, whereupon, having cleared his throat, he spat into the man's face, being unable, he said, to find a meaner receptacle."

[RIFA]

lol.

[dafox]

Not at church

[d4mi4n]

Cult Leader Thinks He's Jesus (Documentary Exclusive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk

Edit: LOL RIFA beat me to it, pretty interesting stuff - Syberian Jesus.