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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post gluvnast February 12, 2011, 8:57 pm

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Even if he learned about Wuertz getting killed, there was no possible way he know that Two-Face got in touch with Ramirez. Gordon did assume wrongfully about the two cops, but they were the ones at the hospital. Joker shot those two then gave the gun to Two-Face in which he used to kill Wuertz & Maroni's driver. The ballistic match would easily point it to Two-Face. But since it's most likely Gordon wouldn't of known about Wuertz's death, it's all likely that he was thinking about the two cops in the hospital and Maroni and his men.

It may sound unfair to the decency of Gordon :oldmanface: but I doubt he even put those 2 cops into consideration, they were beat cops and weren't even accounted for. I'm sure he knew ramirez and wuertz were out of commission as they were his top detectives and unavailable.. at the point where he sees dent he puts 2 and 2 together, figures he killed them both. :JGLface:


Gordon seen the cops gaurding Dent when he came to visit him. 2nd, if they were accounting for everyone in the building, know who to account for as well as who was missing, it's very likely they were looking for dead bodies under the rubble. If they know for certain that Dent is missing, and not found, logically they checked the rubble as well. It would be more than likely they found those bodies.

And like I said, there's no way of him knowing about Wuertz and Ramirez. In fact there was no way of him even knowing they were traitors in his squad! Dent may had warned him about them, but he also was claiming more than just those two. There was no way for him to assume those two automatically. Especially with Ramirez not even being dead. It makes more sense about the cops gaurding Dent since Gordon was at the spot of the destruction site getting accountability.
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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post akv1984 February 13, 2011, 2:02 pm

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akv1984 wrote:My friend figured it out.

The Judge
Richard Dent
Patrick Harvey
Commissioner Loeb
Fake Batman


Uh ... no

The 5th person we can't find HAS TO BE A COP. I'm sorry, but you guys cannot pull all of the Joker's muders into this.



Richard Dent and Patrick Harvey are the two cops.
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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post steveportee February 14, 2011, 12:11 am

akv1984 wrote:My friend figured it out.

The Judge
Richard Dent
Patrick Harvey
Commissioner Loeb
Fake Batman


LOL why the hell would Harvey get blamed for any of those murders? He was still sane at that point, and the Joker was clearly responsible for all of them.
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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post Cilogy February 15, 2011, 2:09 am

akv1984 wrote:
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Uh ... no

The 5th person we can't find HAS TO BE A COP. I'm sorry, but you guys cannot pull all of the Joker's muders into this.



Richard Dent and Patrick Harvey are the two cops.

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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post jcvargas09 February 15, 2011, 3:05 am

Okay, here's what I think it is.

Detective Wertz
Maroni
Maroni's Driver
The two cops that were sent to Gordon's house to pick up his wife and kids that were "called off" by Ramirez.

I'm pretty sure those are THE FIVE, and two of them are cops. Wertz is a detective yes, but the other two are clearly just low level cops.
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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post steveportee February 15, 2011, 10:31 am

jcvargas09 wrote:Okay, here's what I think it is.

Detective Wertz
Maroni
Maroni's Driver
The two cops that were sent to Gordon's house to pick up his wife and kids that were "called off" by Ramirez.

I'm pretty sure those are THE FIVE, and two of them are cops. Wertz is a detective yes, but the other two are clearly just low level cops.


There's no reason to kill those cops that were being called off. Ramirez called them off so that Gordon's wife and kids could slip out undetected and meet Harvey at 250 52nd street. Harvey isn't even at the Gordon's house when this happens. Killing them would serve no purpose, and since Harvey has no reason to hold them responsible for Rachel's death, he has no reason to go after them.
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Re: "5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post MW715 February 15, 2011, 10:45 am

Why doesn't Gordon just say:
"At least ten dead; about four cops, two mob bosses, several hit men, a police commissioner, a judge, a kid posing as Batman, I was dead for a while; WHY DOES THIS MOVIE HAVE SUCH A LARGE BODY COUNT!!?? :oldmanface:
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Post anonymity December 6, 2011, 8:56 pm

So I finally feel comfortable with the conclusion I've made about this situation. And I'm set on this conclusion. Sorry if I'm a day late and a dollar short. I'm sure someone has mentioned it as well but before this scenario didn't work for me into I put it in proper perspective. So this is my final theory on the 5 dead, 2 of them cops.

Batman takes the blame for 5 deaths. He's taking the blame for 5 deaths that Harvey Dent is responsible for. So Harvey is not included in this body count. Now because I was only in the mind frame that is was the people Dent killed I was unable to come to this conclusion. I didn't think Gordon could be counting the cop shot by the Joker at the hospital but I now believe that is the case. And here is why:

So once Gordon has agreed to pin the situation on Batman his report has to put Batman in the same location with Dent. Because Batman was the threat not Harvey Dent. As far as everyone is concerned Harvey was strapped to a hospital bed. Now we know that the Joker visited him and released him. But there is no witness to attest to that. So in this scenario Gordon would write up a report something like this. Keep in mind the mindset is that Batman is now a killer.

Batman kidnaps Harvey Dent from the hospital. Cop gets in his way so Batman kills him [1 cop dead].
Batman visits Detective Wuertz to question his involvement with the mob, kills him. [1 cop dead]
Batman pursues and terminates Sal Maroni and two henchmen. [3 dead]

Total dead = 5, 2 cops

Lastly he would eliminate the District Attorney for failing to rid the streets of scum in the way Batman saw fit.

This is just the most plausible theory for me to a question that has plagued me for 3 and a half years now. :problem:
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"5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post Mason December 6, 2011, 8:58 pm

anonymity wrote:So I finally feel comfortable with the conclusion I've made about this situation. And I'm set on this conclusion. Sorry if I'm a day late and a dollar short. I'm sure someone has mentioned it as well but before this scenario didn't work for me into I put it in proper perspective. So this is my final theory on the 5 dead, 2 of them cops.

Batman takes the blame for 5 deaths. He's taking the blame for 5 deaths that Harvey Dent is responsible for. So Harvey is not included in this body count. Now because I was only in the mind frame that is was the people Dent killed I was unable to come to this conclusion. I didn't think Gordon could be counting the cop shot by the Joker at the hospital but I now believe that is the case. And here is why:

So once Gordon has agreed to pin the situation on Batman his report has to put Batman in the same location with Dent. Because Batman was the threat not Harvey Dent. As far as everyone is concerned Harvey was strapped to a hospital bed. Now we know that the Joker visited him and released him. But there is no witness to attest to that. So in this scenario Gordon would write up a report something like this. Keep in mind the mindset is that Batman is now a killer.

Batman kidnaps Harvey Dent from the hospital. Cop gets in his way so Batman kills him [1 cop dead].
Batman visits Detective Wuertz to question his involvement with the mob, kills him. [1 cop dead]
Batman pursues and terminates Sal Maroni and two henchmen. [3 dead]

Total dead = 5, 2 cops

Lastly he would eliminate the District Attorney for failing to rid the streets of scum in the way Batman saw fit.

This is just the most plausible theory for me to a question that has plagued me for 3 and a half years now. :problem:


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"5 dead, 2 of them cops"

Post steveportee December 6, 2011, 9:00 pm

What about Davis?
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