Tom Hardy as Bane

[Queen of Hearts]

First off, the one order we see Talia give Bane the entire movie, he not only completely ignored, about five seconds after she left the room, he did the complete fucking opposite. Considering getting revenge on Bruce was a huge part of her motivations, Bane disobeying is kind of a huge deal. Bane isn't anybody's bitch.

Second, it's a massive assumption Bane was "perving" on anyone and an unfortunately simplistic view of the various kinds of affection. Anytime an adult feels compelled to fight for a young girl (or boy) out of compassion and love as a means to seek self-redemption it's perverted? That's absolutely preposterous and somewhat perverted yourself- distortion of corruption of intent. You're totally right, Christopher Nolan wrote the villain in his new movie as a pervert. Come on, you can do better.

-Vader

True! Two very amazing scenes!

Wanted to add this really quick.. for anybody else that has the time to read this.. could you please tell me if this was actually written by a fan or is it from the novelization? I know it is labeled fan fiction.. but Im wondering if they copied from the novelization..It's a written description of that ending scene with Batman, Bane and Talia:-) It talks a lot about Bane's character. It's from his perspective. Thanks! I might repost this in the novelization thread, but since Im not sure it goes there Im going to post it here too, because it talks about Bane's character:-)



http://m.fanfiction.net/s/8359385/1/




Just saw your post..had to add:-) I dont see it that way at all.. I see them as working together. In fact, if you have a chance check out that link I posted. You might view the relationship in a different way. Im still unsure of what type of relationship they actually have, but I have to say whoever wrote that summary in the above link, wrote it from a very interesting point.

No, that is not from the novelization.

Queen of Hearts: I agree totally with your perception of Bane/Talia's relationship. That was an even partnership. They both had the same goals and motivations. Bane was the braver of the two because he was out there for the world to see while Talia lurked in the shadows. I would be curious to know, out of the people who feel angry about Bane possibly being subservient to Talia, how many are men. Seems like men have an issue with a tough guy like Bane having a soft spot (taking care of a child/woman), like that somehow makes him weak. To me, that very thing is what makes him strong. Caring only about yourself and bashing people's heads in for your own gain is selfish. Caring/protecting someone else and doing the hard work (the heavy lifting, if you will) are the traits of a strong, noble personality.

Interesting points:-) Also, I think most people had the perception that Bane would just be a brute villain, no emotion, just a wrecking ball.. in a lot of cases he IS a wrecking ball and brutal, but I think the fact that he also showed emotion when so clearly many people thought he wouldn't really affected some people's perception of him. Because he did show emotion and even had tears in his eyes at one point...maybe it was the pain from the gas wearing off, maybe it was hearing Talia's story whatever the case may be..he is human..but that emotional element somehow also made him weak to some people. Even though Bane was brutal and dark, commanding and terrifying, there still was a human being in there. Bane can feel compassion, he did so with Talia, but that does not make him 'weak.' His ideology, methods, tactics, actions may have been brutal but he really believed in what he was doing and the purpose he served, no matter how misguided that purpose was. He is definitely one of the most complex villains to grace the screen:-) He is the perfect mix of terror and complexity.

[illyanadmc]

Interesting points:-) Also, I think most people had the perception that Bane would just be a brute villain, no emotion, just a wrecking ball.. in a lot of cases he IS a wrecking ball and brutal, but I think the fact that he also showed emotion when so clearly many people thought he wouldn't really affected some people's perception of him. Because he did show emotion and even had tears in his eyes at one point...maybe it was the pain from the gas wearing off, maybe it was hearing Talia's story whatever the case may be..he is human..but that emotional element somehow also made him weak to some people. Even though Bane was brutal and dark, commanding and terrifying, there still was a human being in there. Bane can feel compassion, he did so with Talia, but that does not make him 'weak.' His ideology, methods, tactics, actions may have been brutal but he really believed in what he was doing and the purpose he served, no matter how misguided that purpose was. He is definitely one of the most complex villains to grace the screen:-) He is the perfect mix of terror and complexity.

100% agree. damn, this is well-written!

i don't understand why the emotional element makes him look weak to some people, and also how anyone could think that up until that point he was just some sort of machine. probably because the mask gives him that inhuman look, and people just have a hard time looking past it. it's not as though he was presented as some one-note villain before his moment with talia - if the viewer believed up until that moment that bane was the child from the prison (as i did, on first viewing), there's something right there that gives bane a human, sympathetic element throughout almost the entire film.

[Based4Life]

[Queen of Hearts]

Thanks for bringing a smile to my face based:-)

[MagnarTheGreat]

Batman: No Man's Land (Volume 4 compiled in 2000), which the movie was taking some inspiration from.

Bane (unknowingly at first) was working for Lex Luthor and his assistant, Mercedes "Mercy" Graves, in exchange for Santa Prisca.

[Baniac]

Interesting points:-) Also, I think most people had the perception that Bane would just be a brute villain, no emotion, just a wrecking ball.. in a lot of cases he IS a wrecking ball and brutal, but I think the fact that he also showed emotion when so clearly many people thought he wouldn't really affected some people's perception of him. Because he did show emotion and even had tears in his eyes at one point...maybe it was the pain from the gas wearing off, maybe it was hearing Talia's story whatever the case may be..he is human..but that emotional element somehow also made him weak to some people. Even though Bane was brutal and dark, commanding and terrifying, there still was a human being in there. Bane can feel compassion, he did so with Talia, but that does not make him 'weak.' His ideology, methods, tactics, actions may have been brutal but he really believed in what he was doing and the purpose he served, no matter how misguided that purpose was. He is definitely one of the most complex villains to grace the screen:-) He is the perfect mix of terror and complexity.

100% agree. damn, this is well-written!

i don't understand why the emotional element makes him look weak to some people, and also how anyone could think that up until that point he was just some sort of machine. probably because the mask gives him that inhuman look, and people just have a hard time looking past it. it's not as though he was presented as some one-note villain before his moment with talia - if the viewer believed up until that moment that bane was the child from the prison (as i did, on first viewing), there's something right there that gives bane a human, sympathetic element throughout almost the entire film.

Absolutely right. I knew nothing about the upcoming reveal while watching the movie, and just believing that Bane was indeed that child "born in darkness" already made him a sympathetic character to me, and then when we see the reveal and the tears, etc. that was actually the most emotional part of the movie for me, even more so than Albert's tears or the fear that Bruce was dead.

[dafox]

Ra's al Ghul(Liam Neeson), Ra's al Ghul(Ken Watanabe)
Talia al Ghul, Bane

The al Ghul's use misdirection to protect themselves

[Jazzpha]

100% agree. damn, this is well-written!

i don't understand why the emotional element makes him look weak to some people, and also how anyone could think that up until that point he was just some sort of machine. probably because the mask gives him that inhuman look, and people just have a hard time looking past it. it's not as though he was presented as some one-note villain before his moment with talia - if the viewer believed up until that moment that bane was the child from the prison (as i did, on first viewing), there's something right there that gives bane a human, sympathetic element throughout almost the entire film.

Absolutely right. I knew nothing about the upcoming reveal while watching the movie, and just believing that Bane was indeed that child "born in darkness" already made him a sympathetic character to me, and then when we see the reveal and the tears, etc. that was actually the most emotional part of the movie for me, even more so than Albert's tears or the fear that Bruce was dead.

Quoting because these are all amazing points. Now, to build on the "Bane as the child of darkness" sympathy point:

Even as someone who could guess from Talia's first conversation with Bruce who she was (her line about restoring balance, and her fixation on green/clean energy, which I took as a nod to the al Ghul family's focus on pro-environmental eco-terrorism in the comics), I still thought Bane was the child who had escaped from the prison. I just assumed Talia had allied with him later, or something to that effect. So even knowing what the reveal was going to be about two and a half hours before it hit, I still thought Bane was an enormously sympathetic character.

And, as another note, before Bane knows that Bruce has heard of the child in the prison, he says he was 'born in the dark'. Bruce only mentions Bane's excommunication in their first fight, and nothing about his supposed birth in prison. I take this to mean that Bane's childhood/early life was nothing to be happy about, and his impetus to protect Talia was likely because it was the first time he'd really encountered something so innocent and/or deserving of a chance to survive.

Basically, Bane is amazing, and the more I think about Hardy's performance the more I think he actually outdid Ledger as a villain. Just that the subtlety and complexity of Bane take a while longer to appreciate than the raw, twisted psychology of the Joker.

[Baniac]

Absolutely right. I knew nothing about the upcoming reveal while watching the movie, and just believing that Bane was indeed that child "born in darkness" already made him a sympathetic character to me, and then when we see the reveal and the tears, etc. that was actually the most emotional part of the movie for me, even more so than Albert's tears or the fear that Bruce was dead.

Quoting because these are all amazing points. Now, to build on the "Bane as the child of darkness" sympathy point:

Even as someone who could guess from Talia's first conversation with Bruce who she was (her line about restoring balance, and her fixation on green/clean energy, which I took as a nod to the al Ghul family's focus on pro-environmental eco-terrorism in the comics), I still thought Bane was the child who had escaped from the prison. I just assumed Talia had allied with him later, or something to that effect. So even knowing what the reveal was going to be about two and a half hours before it hit, I still thought Bane was an enormously sympathetic character.

And, as another note, before Bane knows that Bruce has heard of the child in the prison, he says he was 'born in the dark'. Bruce only mentions Bane's excommunication in their first fight, and nothing about his supposed birth in prison. I take this to mean that Bane's childhood/early life was nothing to be happy about, and his impetus to protect Talia was likely because it was the first time he'd really encountered something so innocent and/or deserving of a chance to survive.

Good point. I've wondered about his motivation to be the protector, though I totally accepted him doing it for the very reason you mention. I'm assuming that when he was a child in the prison, he was the only child (in the comics his Teddy bear Osito is his only friend); how incredibly lonely that must have been, especially without having a parent there (Talia at least had her mother), so no doubt he totally sympathized with Talia's plight and that is why he befriended her, to give her something that he was denied of at the same age. Like I mentioned before, when you go to see TDKR, pay particular attention to the flashback scene where the mentor prisoner tells Bruce about Bane convincing the other prisoners that innocence (like that of a child) was their salvation. That shows you that Bane truly understood how good people/life could be, and that tells you what an amazing man he was because most people in his situation would have simply damned life and everyone in it and turned completely evil.

[DKnight007]

True! Two very amazing scenes!

Wanted to add this really quick.. for anybody else that has the time to read this.. could you please tell me if this was actually written by a fan or is it from the novelization? I know it is labeled fan fiction.. but Im wondering if they copied from the novelization..It's a written description of that ending scene with Batman, Bane and Talia:-) It talks a lot about Bane's character. It's from his perspective. Thanks! I might repost this in the novelization thread, but since Im not sure it goes there Im going to post it here too, because it talks about Bane's character:-)



http://m.fanfiction.net/s/8359385/1/




Just saw your post..had to add:-) I dont see it that way at all.. I see them as working together. In fact, if you have a chance check out that link I posted. You might view the relationship in a different way. Im still unsure of what type of relationship they actually have, but I have to say whoever wrote that summary in the above link, wrote it from a very interesting point.

No, that is not from the novelization.

Queen of Hearts: I agree totally with your perception of Bane/Talia's relationship. That was an even partnership. They both had the same goals and motivations. Bane was the braver of the two because he was out there for the world to see while Talia lurked in the shadows. I would be curious to know, out of the people who feel angry about Bane possibly being subservient to Talia, how many are men. Seems like men have an issue with a tough guy like Bane having a soft spot (taking care of a child/woman), like that somehow makes him weak. To me, that very thing is what makes him strong. Caring only about yourself and bashing people's heads in for your own gain is selfish. Caring/protecting someone else and doing the hard work (the heavy lifting, if you will) are the traits of a strong, noble personality.

Bane and Talias relationship was a very even partnership. They were both willing and were going to die to accomplish Ra's Al Ghuls destiny. They both needed each other equally. End of debate.