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[SPOILERS] TDKR Plot Speculation

Post Nolanoscopy May 30, 2012, 2:10 pm

NoMoreDeadCops wrote:This is the 1,000,000,000,000th time I've seen this debate. It's so pointless! After Nolan's last hurrah, the series will be REBOOTED. This has been pretty much CONFIRMED by WB.

REBOOT = Marc Webb's Amazing Spiderman to Sam Raimi's Spiderman flicks or Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk to Ang Lee's abortion of a Hulk film. TOTAL REBOOT. None of this "character from Nolan's film (John Blake/JGL) crossing over into a new director's series" bullshit. Won't happen!

The majority of the true fans of Nolan's Batverse undertsand that the crucial aspect of the Batman mythos that Nolan got PERFECT was that Bruce is the center of the story, no matter how many fascinating villains and awesome events surround him. Burton didn't understand this. Schumacher didn't understand this (along with many other things of course) but Nolan does. So despite what you love/don't love about Nolan's Bat films (I adore them beyond belief but no film is completely flawless), I know that he will end this trilogy with the utmost respect for the Bruce character (be it in the form of a sacrificial death of Batman or Bruce literally, metaphorically, or something else).

All I know is passing on the mantle to a character like John Blake just rubs me the wrong way and doesn't seem like what Nolan set out to do. I could be completely wrong and Nolan and company could pull it off so believably and beautifully that it fits in just right but I can't begin to imagine how that'd be possible and I hope it doesn't happen myself. I also hope there's other folks on here that will back me up with this rambling of mine. :)


I agree. Reboot means reboot.

Also, whhat if Bruce becomes a cop after he hangs up the cowl :modesty:
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Post David8 May 30, 2012, 2:14 pm

The last shot of A Tale of Two Cities is:
the death of the brooding lead character, who saves his rich lookalike by taking his place under the guillotine



Now, I don't see how having the last shot of Batman be John Blake in the cowl would exactly be disrespectful to the character of Bruce Wayne or contradictory to what Nolan has set out to do. Nolan said he wants us to care about the character of Bruce where he is in the suit, or not. With Bruce's death being his last sacrifice for Gotham, we will be moved to tears and care even more for the character than we would have if he survived. Now, if Nolan did indeed stick to the story in A Tale of Two Cities, then Bruce's death has to mean the survival of Batman. The supposed shot of John Blake in the suit would achieve this idea of sacrificing yourself to save something of higher value. It would only be the last shot, and then the movie would be over. This would not mean that all of the sudden the story is not about Bruce Wayne. It's just a beautiful finish on the story. There wouldn't be any footage of Blake fighting crime. Just that one shot. The rest is for your imagination to fill in, if you wish to do so. But more likely than not, you won't care about how John Blake does as Batman, because you care about Bruce Wayne.
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Post EnzoTheBaker May 30, 2012, 2:24 pm

David8 wrote:The last shot of A Tale of Two Cities is:
the death of the brooding lead character, who saves his rich lookalike by taking his place under the guillotine



Now, I don't see how having the last shot of Batman be John Blake in the cowl would exactly be disrespectful to the character of Bruce Wayne or contradictory to what Nolan has set out to do. Nolan said he wants us to care about the character of Bruce where he is in the suit, or not. With Bruce's death being his last sacrifice for Gotham, we will be moved to tears and care even more for the character than we would have if he survived. Now, if Nolan did indeed stick to the story in A Tale of Two Cities, then Bruce's death has to mean the survival of Batman. The supposed shot of John Blake in the suit would achieve this idea of sacrificing yourself to save something of higher value. It would only be the last shot, and then the movie would be over. This would not mean that all of the sudden the story is not about Bruce Wayne. It's just a beautiful finish on the story.


Or, there's the alternate interpretation of the Two Cities ending (not mine):
mchekhov wrote:Charles Darnay is obviously Bruce Wayne. This character is the son of wealthy parents and is targeted and imprisoned by the leaders of the revolution. At the end of the novel, Sydney Carton (who is a split image of Darnay) takes Darnay’s place in the beheading to save him. There are two ways this can play out, for now I’ll explain the first option. Bruce Wayne can be an amalgamation of both Charles Darnay and Sydney Carton, because Bruce Wayne actually has a dual personality: he is both Bruce and Batman. With this interpretation in mind, Bruce Wayne may sacrifice his life in order to save the symbol of Batman, and Gotham along with it. Or vice versa, Bruce may stage Batman’s death in order to save his own life.
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Post BlairCo May 30, 2012, 7:11 pm

thistownneedsanenema wrote:Now that this is officially realesed by WB, does that mean what I think it means?

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Wordplay, I like it.
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Post SilverHeart May 30, 2012, 8:00 pm

Subtle that message is most assuredly not. I guess that confirms we'll be seeing one of the most famous shots in comic history in this film. :-D
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Post David8 May 30, 2012, 8:24 pm

I think you guys are over-analyzing it. It says "I have your back" as in Bane is for the people. He's the people's champion, because he is against rich bureaucrats. It fits with his message.
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Post TehBatGetsBraked May 30, 2012, 8:30 pm

SilverHeart wrote:Subtle that message is most assuredly not. I guess that confirms we'll be seeing one of the most famous shots in comic history in this film. :-D


Ah, no.
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Post thistownneedsanenema May 30, 2012, 8:52 pm

David8 wrote:I think you guys are over-analyzing it. It says "I have your back" as in Bane is for the people. He's the people's champion, because he is against rich bureaucrats. It fits with his message.


HAHAHAHAHA yeah it has NOTHING to do with the the whole Bane breaks Bats back thing Hahahahahahahaha

Some people. Seriously. HAHAHAHAHA
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Post David8 May 30, 2012, 9:13 pm

thistownneedsanenema wrote:
David8 wrote:I think you guys are over-analyzing it. It says "I have your back" as in Bane is for the people. He's the people's champion, because he is against rich bureaucrats. It fits with his message.


HAHAHAHAHA yeah it has NOTHING to do with the the whole Bane breaks Bats back thing Hahahahahahahaha

Some people. Seriously. HAHAHAHAHA



It doesn't. It's Bane's propaganda. Similar stuff was posted all over Wall Street during the shoot, and people posted pictures of it.
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