to that above me. but this is from a guy on SHH. I wanted to know what you guys thought about this.
It's not specifics about the end that are going to make this a largely greater film than most are expecting; it's really how the entire thing is going to unfold. This story is one that is the culmination of the other two. It's not as if this will be totally independent of BB and TDK the pieces of those puzzle will effect this film.
Here's something I compiled based on the information I know:
You will feel the weight of the past two films very clearly, on top of that the movie ups the ante for everything but mostly emotional involvement.
There's a worry that if they hold this too close to the chest people will feel they're hiding a flaw in the film but overall they want to release things in spurts. There's a lot to be revealed for this film but it's all tied together in a nice little bow. The fear is that if the general audience knows too much they'll unravel, what many on the inside consider to be, a great, thorough and truly "epic" story.
But they're secret for the most part are the characters and how they're being played. There's been little of anyone playing anything, many in the business of TDKR are considering it to be the perfect storm for acting. That every actor has hit his or her stride so well that it elevates the others to a point of grandeur.
The main focus of this thought is Anne Hathaway, whom they plan to market very heavily closer to the film's release. For all intents and purposes she is their Joker. This is not to say the movie will be upstaged by her but that people will more than likely be more enamored with her character as Selina/Catwoman are among "Nolan's greatest written characters".
The circumstance of this film is very bleak, this isn't Return of The Jedi. There won't be many moments of happy levity that leads us to a conclusion. This will be the worst of the scenarios for Gotham out of the three. Things will get to the point where we ought not to look at this as the last film anymore but wonder how they could possibly end this film after doing so much.
It's a creative emotional ride that ups the stakes on violence and fear but also dramatically pulses forward the emotional conflict. Harvey Dent in TDK marks a high point for Batman as we're finally treated to something that isn't going to go away with a simple Batarang or bullet and we're going to see how that plays out in TDKR but on top of that we are being introduced to a series of complicated characters as well.
Selina Kyle is a grey area character who is not on the side of the law but not on the side of what crime is in Gotham either. She's a rogue but has deep commitments to the characters she cares about. She sees this as a weakness but also struggles with the idea that perhaps its what keeps her different than the other criminals.
Bane is a wrecking ball who can not only destroy anything in his path but has the mental capabilities to break down those who stand in front of him mentally. He knows how to humiliate people and force them into the position of adhering to him. It's not as petty as a bribe but actual full fledged brain-washing. At some point people will wonder how they could both survive with Bane but adversely how they'd ever survive without him.
John Blake is our look into Gotham; an emotional rollercoaster of a character, he's swept into the madness in Gotham with the idea that he can and NEEDS to make a change, He trust the institution because it's headed by Gordon but has wary thoughts about Batman and when the chips are down he's not sure what exactly he's supposed to think. On hand is oblivion, on the other hand is a mixed failure. He's our first real look at Gotham, whereas the other two films have shown us how our main characters see Gotham we will be seeing how Gotham views our main characters through Blake. He's courageous, smart if not a little over his head. He's a man who can be trusted to do the right thing but the "right" thing becomes a blurrier and blurrier idea as time presses on.
Even returning characters have added complexities.
Political pressures have turned Mayor Garcia into just another run of the mill Mayor. The city is in "peace time" but they all know that the underbelly of Gotham is seething. While the clean streets are a feat to behold the question how long do you tote the war on Gotham as your success? When does it start to invite more violence?
Gordon, older and a little worn is still the good hearted cop but now he's holding all the chips. He quickly realizes that he's done a lot of Good but with everything in his control it's a lot more trouble than he's realized. He's got a dream for Gotham, one he's always had but has been more compounded with the death of Harvey. He needs to save Gotham because he didn't save Harvey Dent
Adversely Bruce/Batman has somewhat become a recluse, he still works but it feels like his general interest in saving Gotham has dwindled. While that's not true his destroyed life has turned his older years into something he can't quite grasp. He doesn't know what to do, he's in a state of arrested development and everything suffers for it. He wants to save Gotham but then what? What becomes of him? Is he just thrown to the side? He's not in it for congratulations but at the end of this journey what does he actually have? In Indiana Jones Iny is talking to someone and the man says to Jones: "You're at that point where life stops giving you things and starts taking things away" That's where Bruce is except, he can't recall the last time he was given anything.
Rachel is dead, Harvey is dead, His parents are dead, Alfred is aging and feels a guilt towards Bruce's situation that makes Bruce feels guilty. It seems at every corner, every possible outcome is going to result in Bruce losing something. So it becomes: "This is it? when this is all over am I basically...dead?"
Its a complex issued compounded with the fact that whenever he tries to stop Bane, with all their progress against crime it KEEPS coming back worse. Where have he and Gordon failed? 8 years of peace and then the end of days? How long can they keep this dance up? Why can't they find a solution that holds up against time, no a utopia but a hope that Gotham won't be thrown into the void with the chance it won't return?
What is the missing piece to this puzzle?
All of this was said to illustrate that despite what we "know" we don't "know" anything, many of these ideas will have to be seen to understand and the respective performances of the actors are the only thing that can get them across, so finding the balance of clueing us in and keeping us clueless is a fine one
Batville wrote: to that above me. but this is from a guy on SHH. I wanted to know what you guys thought about this.
It's not specifics about the end that are going to make this a largely greater film than most are expecting; it's really how the entire thing is going to unfold. This story is one that is the culmination of the other two. It's not as if this will be totally independent of BB and TDK the pieces of those puzzle will effect this film.
Here's something I compiled based on the information I know:
You will feel the weight of the past two films very clearly, on top of that the movie ups the ante for everything but mostly emotional involvement.
There's a worry that if they hold this too close to the chest people will feel they're hiding a flaw in the film but overall they want to release things in spurts. There's a lot to be revealed for this film but it's all tied together in a nice little bow. The fear is that if the general audience knows too much they'll unravel, what many on the inside consider to be, a great, thorough and truly "epic" story.
But they're secret for the most part are the characters and how they're being played. There's been little of anyone playing anything, many in the business of TDKR are considering it to be the perfect storm for acting. That every actor has hit his or her stride so well that it elevates the others to a point of grandeur.
The main focus of this thought is Anne Hathaway, whom they plan to market very heavily closer to the film's release. For all intents and purposes she is their Joker. This is not to say the movie will be upstaged by her but that people will more than likely be more enamored with her character as Selina/Catwoman are among "Nolan's greatest written characters".
The circumstance of this film is very bleak, this isn't Return of The Jedi. There won't be many moments of happy levity that leads us to a conclusion. This will be the worst of the scenarios for Gotham out of the three. Things will get to the point where we ought not to look at this as the last film anymore but wonder how they could possibly end this film after doing so much.
It's a creative emotional ride that ups the stakes on violence and fear but also dramatically pulses forward the emotional conflict. Harvey Dent in TDK marks a high point for Batman as we're finally treated to something that isn't going to go away with a simple Batarang or bullet and we're going to see how that plays out in TDKR but on top of that we are being introduced to a series of complicated characters as well.
Selina Kyle is a grey area character who is not on the side of the law but not on the side of what crime is in Gotham either. She's a rogue but has deep commitments to the characters she cares about. She sees this as a weakness but also struggles with the idea that perhaps its what keeps her different than the other criminals.
Bane is a wrecking ball who can not only destroy anything in his path but has the mental capabilities to break down those who stand in front of him mentally. He knows how to humiliate people and force them into the position of adhering to him. It's not as petty as a bribe but actual full fledged brain-washing. At some point people will wonder how they could both survive with Bane but adversely how they'd ever survive without him.
John Blake is our look into Gotham; an emotional rollercoaster of a character, he's swept into the madness in Gotham with the idea that he can and NEEDS to make a change, He trust the institution because it's headed by Gordon but has wary thoughts about Batman and when the chips are down he's not sure what exactly he's supposed to think. On hand is oblivion, on the other hand is a mixed failure. He's our first real look at Gotham, whereas the other two films have shown us how our main characters see Gotham we will be seeing how Gotham views our main characters through Blake. He's courageous, smart if not a little over his head. He's a man who can be trusted to do the right thing but the "right" thing becomes a blurrier and blurrier idea as time presses on.
Even returning characters have added complexities.
Political pressures have turned Mayor Garcia into just another run of the mill Mayor. The city is in "peace time" but they all know that the underbelly of Gotham is seething. While the clean streets are a feat to behold the question how long do you tote the war on Gotham as your success? When does it start to invite more violence?
Gordon, older and a little worn is still the good hearted cop but now he's holding all the chips. He quickly realizes that he's done a lot of Good but with everything in his control it's a lot more trouble than he's realized. He's got a dream for Gotham, one he's always had but has been more compounded with the death of Harvey. He needs to save Gotham because he didn't save Harvey Dent
Adversely Bruce/Batman has somewhat become a recluse, he still works but it feels like his general interest in saving Gotham has dwindled. While that's not true his destroyed life has turned his older years into something he can't quite grasp. He doesn't know what to do, he's in a state of arrested development and everything suffers for it. He wants to save Gotham but then what? What becomes of him? Is he just thrown to the side? He's not in it for congratulations but at the end of this journey what does he actually have? In Indiana Jones Iny is talking to someone and the man says to Jones: "You're at that point where life stops giving you things and starts taking things away" That's where Bruce is except, he can't recall the last time he was given anything.
Rachel is dead, Harvey is dead, His parents are dead, Alfred is aging and feels a guilt towards Bruce's situation that makes Bruce feels guilty. It seems at every corner, every possible outcome is going to result in Bruce losing something. So it becomes: "This is it? when this is all over am I basically...dead?"
Its a complex issued compounded with the fact that whenever he tries to stop Bane, with all their progress against crime it KEEPS coming back worse. Where have he and Gordon failed? 8 years of peace and then the end of days? How long can they keep this dance up? Why can't they find a solution that holds up against time, no a utopia but a hope that Gotham won't be thrown into the void with the chance it won't return?
What is the missing piece to this puzzle?
All of this was said to illustrate that despite what we "know" we don't "know" anything, many of these ideas will have to be seen to understand and the respective performances of the actors are the only thing that can get them across, so finding the balance of clueing us in and keeping us clueless is a fine one
I figured just as much. Very exciting stuff about Selina/Catwoman. One of the other insiders at SHH also said that she is the 2nd best written character in the TDKR script (after Bruce). This movie will be about the conclusion of Bruce's journey and Selina is someone that will impact both Bruce and Batman. The dynamics between Bruce/Batman and Selina/Catwoman is what I'm excited the most. Can't wait to see that Catwoman promo to start.
I figured just as much. Very exciting stuff about Selina/Catwoman. One of the other insiders at SHH also said that she is the 2nd best written character in the TDKR script (after Bruce). This movie will be about the conclusion of Bruce's journey and Selina is someone that will impact both Bruce and Batman. The dynamics between Bruce/Batman and Selina/Catwoman is what I'm excited the most. Can't wait to see that Catwoman promo to start. [/quote]
Gothamgirl Im under the impression that Bane is going to be great too! I honestly think Catwomen and Bane will be both amazing.
Its cool to hear that Cawomen is so well written. So complex. So TalkOnCorners what or how do you think Selina will impact Batman/Bruce? Through romance? Motivating him?
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