GirlAfraid wrote:1. Level 1 did not correctly influence kicks.
There has been discussion on these boards about a push kick and a pull kick. My impression is that any kick is indeed one of these two things: a pull from the level above that creates a kick, or a push from the current dream level. In case of the former, Arthur falling off the chair is demonstration of this. His falling sensation in reality is experienced in the dream, so he is kicked. In case of the latter, dying or falling serves as a push without the need for any influence from the level above. I'm fine with that so far.
Now, the van falling in level 1. I can see no way in which the van falling would not kick Arthur from level 2 (the Hotel). He is 'conscious' in level 2, and he is experiencing the falling sensation from the van which would pull him out of level 2. At the same time, Yusuf would experience a push from the falling which wakes him up to reality. Before anyone says 'it was heavy sedative!', Yusuf explained that the inner ear functions as normal so it doesn't matter how strong the sedative, falling kicks you.
The falling kick was set for reality. That is if it happened in reality, they would have awoken instantly. Because they are in a dream, they are falling much much much slower and as such has less effect. Much more they were thoroughly strapped in. Its like the feeling you have in a plane you know you are moving, you just cant feel it.
GirlAfraid wrote:2. Fischer coming back to life in level 3
I don't see how this is in any way possible, and unravels too many rules set by the movie. He was shot, he died, he went to limbo. The severity of dying in a dream level under heavy sedative was out-lined in level 1 - that you would be lost to limbo. If it were as simple as jumping off a building in limbo to kick yourself back to the previous level you died in, then limbo is little more than a temporary inconvenience? This is probably the thing I have the most issue with, as it completely undermines 'limbo' - it certainly would have saved Saito a whole load of trouble.
The problem with limbo is not getting simply getting out, it is the first accept that where you are is not real. While you are in there, you have no access to the conscious. Which is why they had to GO FOR Fischer rather than wait till he died or freed himself.
GirlAfraid wrote:3. The Spinning top is not a totem
Arthur explains the purpose and design of totems to Ariadne. The unique property of a totem is known only to its bearer, and can therefore be used to discern whether you are in someone else's dream. Arthur's loaded die would roll 1-6 in a 'foreign' dream but roll only one number in his own dream, Ariadne's hollowed chess piece would be heavier to a foreign dreamer. That makes sense, fine. It effectively serves as a compass for those wary of extraction or inception - totems do not separate reality from your own dreams, only your dreams from foreign ones.
So, the spinning top - it's uniqueness is not in that which is physical. In a 'foreign' dream, the top would behave like any normal person would imagine it, like a die rolling 1-6, or a heavy chess piece, the top would spin then topple. The only feasible situation where the top could only spin indefinitely is in Cobb's own dreams (and limbo, it could be argued, as it's a shared dream-state) - its behaviour is imagined. But this makes it nigh useless as without any real physical property attached to it to ground it as a totem, it will behave any way in which Cobb dreams it. The movie seems to suggest, however, that the top discerns any dream from reality, which is not how totems were explained, and essentially makes the top magic. To me, this just undermines the final scene, as the top is basically flawed at telling us or Cobb anything.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. It is not a flaw but intent of the movie. This is what was used to identity the fact that the whole movie was COBB's dream. The totem he is using does not even exist in his dreams. Since it is not his. It is just a projection.
GirlAfraid wrote:Other miscellaneous things:
- Why is the fort being blown up in level 3? You cannot pull someone from limbo (as is evident from Cobb not being pull-kicked).
The fort was blown up to force them to die at the level to go to the former level. This was done because it was a race against time. COBB cannot was not at that level when it was blown up so it did not work on him. Everyone who was awake at the fort was sent to the elevator level on the explosion and the elevator level sent them back to the van.
GirlAfraid wrote:- If Mal is a malevolent influence in the inception plot, wouldn't she simply have told all to Fischer in the time they spent alone together in limbo (it would have been hours, even days), to completely foil the planned inception?
Mal's intention not to foil the inception plot. The true inception is not on Fischer but on Cobb.