Hyperion/Endymion

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What do you guys think about Nolan adapting those books on the screen?

I'm sure he's a fan of Dan Simmons. :thumbup:

Here are some ideas for the cast:
Brawne Lamia.... Michelle Rodriguez
Martin Silenus.... Jack Nicholson or Michael Caine
The Consul.... Edward Norton
Lenar Hoyt.... Cillian Murphy
Fedman Kassad.... Hugh Jackman
Moneta..... Liv Tyler
Sol Weintraub.... ?
Paul Duré.... ??
The Shrike... :think: :mrgreen:

(For the "Endymion" cast, I've no f*****g idea :oops: )


What do you think?

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OK, never mind, it fails. :(

Anyway, for those of you (and I think it's all of you :D ) who don't know the book, READ IT. It's one of the coolest I've ever read.

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mmmm yeah it's sad to see a thread ignored

I don't know the books though. I can check a synopsis or you can tell me what they're about.

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Just noticed this thread, infact I just posted about this here ;)
http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtop ... 70#p162638

But tbh, I really don't think that anyone could adapt it. It's just so massive!
prince0gotham wrote:mmmm yeah it's sad to see a thread ignored

I don't know the books though. I can check a synopsis or you can tell me what they're about.


Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos is a science fiction series comprising 4 books actually -

-Hyperion [1989]
-The Fall of Hyperion [1990]
-Endymion [1996]
-The Rise of Endymion [1997]

Hyperion, IMHO, is one of the greatest books of alltime. If you fancy yourself to be a good writer, reading this book will make you furious. It's that good. It follows the story structure of the Canterbury Tales, where a group of pilgrims on a journey tell their lifestories to each other to pass the time. But what's so awesome about this book is that as we read the stories of each pilgrim [each story is a different genre, btw - yet another amazing achievement! 8-) ], we realise that eventhough each pilgrim is totally different from the rest, their lives are connected by a certain something, and that is why they have been chosen to go on this quest.

The Fall of Hyperion follows the pilgrims once they reach their destination planet and narrates the cascade of events that occur to them when they end up meeting the purpose of their quest.

Endymion is set about 270 years after the events of The Fall of Hyperion and goes off on what seems to be a totally different tangent from the first two books. It's more of an action adventure book.

The Rise of Endymion brings everything into one gargantuan climax.

Of the four novels, Hyperion received the Hugo and Locus Awards in 1990 and was a nominee for British Science Fiction Award 1990 and the Arthur C. Clarke Award in 1992. The Fall of Hyperion won the Locus and British Science Fiction Association Awards in 1991 and was also nominated for the Hugo Award in 1991 and the Nebula Award in 1990. Endymion was shortlisted for the 1997 Locus Award. The Rise of Endymion won the Locus Award and was nominated for the Hugo Award in 1998.

Dan Simmons is one helluva writer - he uses elements of science fiction, religion, literature [the poems of Keats feature prominently throughout, and he even ends becoming a character in the books!], and lots more to create his magnum opus. And this is one series that you simply HAVE to read. I don't think I could describe in more detail without spoiling.

IMHO, Dan Simmons is one of the greatest storytellers of alltime - alongwith George R R Martin and Ashok Banker. :twothumbsup:
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Hmmm yeah well that really doesn't sound like something that could undergo adaptation without turning the whole goodness of it into shit.

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oracle86 wrote:Just noticed this thread, infact I just posted about this here ;)
http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtop ... 70#p162638

But tbh, I really don't think that anyone could adapt it. It's just so massive!
prince0gotham wrote:mmmm yeah it's sad to see a thread ignored

I don't know the books though. I can check a synopsis or you can tell me what they're about.


Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos is a science fiction series comprising 4 books actually -

-Hyperion [1989]
-The Fall of Hyperion [1990]
-Endymion [1996]
-The Rise of Endymion [1997]

Hyperion, IMHO, is one of the greatest books of alltime. If you fancy yourself to be a good writer, reading this book will make you furious. It's that good. It follows the story structure of the Canterbury Tales, where a group of pilgrims on a journey tell their lifestories to each other to pass the time. But what's so awesome about this book is that as we read the stories of each pilgrim [each story is a different genre, btw - yet another amazing achievement! 8-) ], we realise that eventhough each pilgrim is totally different from the rest, their lives are connected by a certain something, and that is why they have been chosen to go on this quest.

The Fall of Hyperion follows the pilgrims once they reach their destination planet and narrates the cascade of events that occur to them when they end up meeting the purpose of their quest.

Endymion is set about 270 years after the events of The Fall of Hyperion and goes off on what seems to be a totally different tangent from the first two books. It's more of an action adventure book.

The Rise of Endymion brings everything into one gargantuan climax.

Of the four novels, Hyperion received the Hugo and Locus Awards in 1990 and was a nominee for British Science Fiction Award 1990 and the Arthur C. Clarke Award in 1992. The Fall of Hyperion won the Locus and British Science Fiction Association Awards in 1991 and was also nominated for the Hugo Award in 1991 and the Nebula Award in 1990. Endymion was shortlisted for the 1997 Locus Award. The Rise of Endymion won the Locus Award and was nominated for the Hugo Award in 1998.

Dan Simmons is one helluva writer - he uses elements of science fiction, religion, literature [the poems of Keats feature prominently throughout, and he even ends becoming a character in the books!], and lots more to create his magnum opus. And this is one series that you simply HAVE to read. I don't think I could describe in more detail without spoiling.

IMHO, Dan Simmons is one of the greatest storytellers of alltime - alongwith George R R Martin and Ashok Banker. :twothumbsup:
:twothumbsup: This is a really good synopsis, thank you! I don't know what to say now :) At least we're two Hyperion fans on the forums ! :D

Prince, if I proposed this idea that was because there are actually a lot of "Nolanesque" things in the Hyperion Cantos. Flashbacks, mostly, mind games, labyrinths, and above all, the characters are so freaking awesome. But maybe you're right, maybe it's just too big, even for Nolan, to adapt it on the screen. It's like Dune, you know. It seems like it should remain untouched. :neutral:

Anyway, now you're aware, read the Cantos. :)

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Well yeah first it's too big second - mind games and labyrinths seems like something that cannot be shown in a much different way than the one it was shown in Inception and Nolan wouldn't do that. I mean he won't make another movie for dream share, another movie for actual labyrinths.

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Apparently, Bradley Cooper is a fan too - and he's written a script and wants to direct! :shock:

http://collider.com/bradley-cooper-hyperion/93406/

I don't think it's realistic; since Dan Simmons specialises in making stuff so incredibly complex and massive.

Flying Rodent, what else have you read of Dan Simmons? I've read Song of Kali [frakking awesome horror novel set in Calcutta, India and involving Kali worship and cannibalism!], The Terror [a thriller about the lost expedition of HMS Erebus and HMS Terror to the Arctic to force the Northwest Passage in the 19th century] , Drood [a mystery about the last 5 years of Charles Dicken's life] and Ilium/Olympos [a futuristic retelling of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, combined with Shakespeare's The Tempest and some Proust and Browning, too!]. And all of them are brilliant. My favourite among these is the Ilium/Olympos duology - he has utilised some incredibly clever ideas there, IMHO. Do you have any other recommendations?
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oracle86 wrote:Apparently, Bradley Cooper is a fan too - and he's written a script and wants to direct! :shock:

http://collider.com/bradley-cooper-hyperion/93406/

I don't think it's realistic; since Dan Simmons specialises in making stuff so incredibly complex and massive.

Flying Rodent, what else have you read of Dan Simmons? I've read Song of Kali [frakking awesome horror novel set in Calcutta, India and involving Kali worship and cannibalism!], The Terror [a thriller about the lost expedition of HMS Erebus and HMS Terror to the Arctic to force the Northwest Passage in the 19th century] , Drood [a mystery about the last 5 years of Charles Dicken's life] and Ilium/Olympos [a futuristic retelling of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, combined with Shakespeare's The Tempest and some Proust and Browning, too!]. And all of them are brilliant. My favourite among these is the Ilium/Olympos duology - he has utilised some incredibly clever ideas there, IMHO. Do you have any other recommendations?
Well, hem... I know I'll look like a rookie to you, but... I haven't read a lot of Simmon's books. Actually, I read The Cantos twice, and Ilium/Olympos once only. And even if I've heard of the other ones, I have never read them (actually, it's f*cking complicated to find some good books where I live and the translations are awful).

I genuinely loved The Cantos, especially Hyperion and The Rise of Endymion. Brawne Lamia, Martin Silenus (favorite book character of all time along with Leto II in Dune) and Radamante Némès really impressed me, by their mental complexity and also by the influence they have on the story, even if Nemes is finally just an "executioner" under the orders of Albedo. I really like the way Simmons dealed with his characters (actually, it really inspired me for my own stories).

About Ilium/Olympos... Well, I found the story too... slow. I didn't expect an action-packed thriller, of course, but I was hoping for impressive descriptions and straightforward dialogues, and regrettably the book wasn't really written the way I had expected it. I must admit I was kind of... disappointed. Manmut and Io are very interesting characters though, I really like the way Simmons invented them, even if they're robots he did something very different from Asimov's robots and this is pretty impressive. He created them finally even more human than the human characters.
What I didn't like in Ilium was that the story was too disorganized. Too much flashbacks for my taste. But, well, I read it about four years ago, I was pretty young, so I don't remember everything. Maybe I was too young to understand the books entirely.

So this is it, yeah...

As a sci-fi fan, I'm also fond of Herbert's Dune. One of the most wonderful sagas of all time, even if the original idea (the drug producted on one only planet which gave people the power to travel into space) was Cordwainer Smith's, and the fact Herbert didn't ever mention it is sort of unfair. Anyway, "The Children of Dune" and "The God Emperor of Dune" are hugely impressive.
I'm also a fan of Cordwainer Smith (The Quest of The Three Worlds and The Man who bought Earth are my favorite books of his Spacelords series). His style is very poetic, ethereal. Not many peole know him and I don't know if you do but I assure you he's one of the greatest sci-fi writers of all time.

I'm also a big fan of Philip K.Dick. His novel Ubik is really impressive (and, yeah, I think it would look great adapted on the screen), and so are his short stories. His ideas are very original, very meaningful, even if I still prefer Herbert.
What else? Asimov, of course (I read "Nemesis" a few months ago, it's really good). George Orwell's 1984 is also one of my favorite books and I am actually reading Walter Tevis' "Mockingbird" (a bit old-fashioned, but I like it).

There's also a very good french sci-fi book by Stefan Wul that I like, yet I don't know how you call it in english or he has ever been translated... The french title is "Oms en série" (the word "Oms" is a deformation of the french word "Hommes" which means "Men".) The story takes place on the foreign planet Igam inhabited by the Draags, a 10-to-20 meters tall extraterrestrial specie. The Draags' civilisation is very evoluted and in Wul's future, we Men have totally forgotten our technology, so the Draags think we're their pets, like dogs or cats. The story talks about one of those pet-humans who escapes his owner's house and starts a revolution against the Draags... It's the first sci-fi book I've ever read (I was 7) and it's really good.

Hmm... Well, I think it's pretty much like it. :)

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Yeah, I just went on a binge of Dan Simmons books after reading the Hyperion Cantos. I agree Ilium/ Olympos isn't his best, but it still is pretty damn good. Love the way he describes the Trojan War in so much detail, and the twist he gives to it.

Haven't heard of Cordwainer Smith, unfortunately. Will check him out! And I don't think my French is good enough to read Stefan Wul, so Ill have to pass on that. Love anything by Herbert, Asimov, Clarke and Dick. :thumbup:

And we have a thread for ppl like us to discuss about the books we read recently. Check it out!

http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtop ... 66#p164166
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