ChrisTilford wrote:
That kind of blatant meta humor is beyond cheesy.

I wasn't serious.

Well I was for the first half of the post. Friendczar's servers would definitely come in handy for Team Machine.

ChrisTilford wrote:

Think there's some misdirection involved in the subway's destruction. The guys could've taken it out themselves to create a false sense of security for Samaritan.

Pratham wrote: I wasn't serious.

Well I was for the first half of the post. Friendczar's servers would definitely come in handy for Team Machine.

If they wanted to user servers, a better bet would be Caleb's. But I don't think they will, in order to protect him. And besides, Pierce no longer owns Friendczar. He & Emily Morton started their own venture, Alchementary.

I don't think taking out Samaritan will play out as conventionally as how folks usually expect these things to happen.

GeneMod wrote:

That would make sense. After all, they have no idea how much Shaw told Samaritan, though apparently she didn't tell them about the hideout. I guess we'll find out in about 5 months!

ChrisTilford wrote:Additional snippets from Comic-Con.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/person-of-inte ... 61760.html

Happy Ending?

If this is the end, where would Chapman like Fusco to end up?

“Police commissioner of New York, godammit!”

And Root?

Acker: “I hope her, Machine, and Shaw have a nice happy little…”
Thé: “A nice, happy little family? With Bear?”
Acker: “With Bear! And Shaw’s twins.”

Another aspect I'm curious about is the structure of the season: The teaser implies that the scene is set in the future, which means that they've shifted POV: The 'present day' of the show is the past, while 'the future' is the present.

Do you suppose that the damaged station is the only scene we'll get from the future, while the present day stuff builds to it, and once we get there, it moves forward OR do they run two narratives in parallel on both timelines, covered in every episode, which culminates in the finale? As it is done in shows like Damages or Lost.

ChrisTilford wrote:Another aspect I'm curious about is the structure of the season: The teaser implies that the scene is set in the future, which means that they've shifted POV: The 'present day' of the show is the past, while 'the future' is the present.

Do you suppose that the damaged station is the only scene we'll get from the future, while the present day stuff builds to it, and once we get there, it moves forward OR do they run two narratives in parallel on both timelines, covered in every episode, which culminates in the finale? As it is done in shows like Damages or Lost.

Yeah I want that.

Arrow S02 did that wonderfully.

Pratham wrote: Yeah I want that.
Arrow S02 did that wonderfully.

Haven't seen much of Arrow (few eps here and there, which were okay), so I'll just have to take your word for it.

Running parallel timelines is the only way they can utilize the MPOVs for present day scenes. Unless they want to eschew it for the time being, and just have Samaritan's UI (which I don't mind, cause that shit's the bomb). But if the Machine's got a kickass new interface, which screams 'tech porn' like the SPOVs, hell yeah I'd wanna see it more!

Also makes the show appear a lot more ambitious both in their storytelling, and on a visual sense. The fourth & fifth seasons of Lost were my absolute favorites cause they played around with the format so trippingly, & it enhanced the viewing experience so damn much. If this show can do even half of that, I've got no cause for concern that this'll end well.

Another thing that I'd like for them to do with regards to flashbacks is this: Have an episode which has one of those which closes with a cliffhanger, and a later episode picking up on that flashback from that exact moment & play it out from there (Example being Lost's The Man from Tallahassee'/'The Brig' or 'Through the Looking Glass'/'There's No Place Like Home Part 2'). POI did that probably just once, and it was a very quick beat: Matsya Nyaya, where the Ordos facility explodes; and Dead Reckoning, where Stanton is shown in the wreckage & confronted by masked operatives, who probably ended up taking her to Greer.

GeneMod wrote:

ChrisTilford wrote:

Think there's some misdirection involved in the subway's destruction. The guys could've taken it out themselves to create a false sense of security for Samaritan.

That would make sense. After all, they have no idea how much Shaw told Samaritan, though apparently she didn't tell them about the hideout. I guess we'll find out in about 5 months!

ChrisTilford wrote:Do you suppose that the damaged station is the only scene we'll get from the future, while the present day stuff builds to it, and once we get there, it moves forward OR do they run two narratives in parallel on both timelines, covered in every episode, which culminates in the finale? As it is done in shows like Damages or Lost.

Could be an extension of what they did in Firewall and Endgame, if that future scene is used as the opening, and then the timeline shifts backward to build up to it (also similar to Inception, and to a lesser extent, The Prestige and Interstellar).

Something that just occurred to me: What if that voiceover from Root, or something similar, is the new intro?

Whistler wrote:

Whether the location is compromised or the team destroy it themselves, I think they're relocating, if there's a whole abandoned rail line down there. And then it can be related to a network. I'm all but certain the subway plays some part at or near the end, given its symbolic use so far: Reese just before meeting Carter and Finch, Caleb's intended suicide, Reese and Carter transporting Quinn, Finch and Elias talking about the world having changed, Shaw just before the big sacrifice, etc.

Whistler wrote:Could be an extension of what they did in Firewall and Endgame, if that future scene is used as the opening, and then the timeline shifts backward to build up to it.

Exactly like that . But a bit more anachronically, where along with the material building up to the scene, run stuff after that event in parallel. An example of this could be Lost's 'The Brig', or better yet, The Prestige.

Something that just occurred to me: What it that voiceover from Root, or something similar, is the new intro?

Doubt it. Just appears too long & bloated to serve as an intro. I'd actually prefer it (probably heard this a million times from me), that they not have a title sequence this year. Title card's enough or the non-intros like God Mode/The Devil's Share.

You can argue that having an intro allows them to experiment with it for special episodes, but they got to do so little of that last year (just Control-Alt-Delete, and YHWH, and even those weren't all that innovative). There were more kickass opportunities to exploit that in episodes like The Cold War, If-Then-Else, & Asylum, but zilch was done. Probably network enforced.

As good as Michael Emerson's voice is, if there's a compulsive need by the network to shoehorn an expository title sequence for a show that's in its fifth season, it's just so fucking demeaning.

TVLine interview with Greg, Denise, and the cast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=224&v=XPGzxa7HLSI

Major Bummer: Amanda Segel's not working on Season 5.