RIFA wrote:

dafox wrote:"I'm right and you're wrong" statement

There was no fucking statement like that.

You have a problem of comprehension.

I'm the one having "a problem of comprehension" ?

I fucking told you 4 times what I was saying.

You said that you've told me 4+ times but there isn't a single refute to my two basic contentions in this entire thread.

What have you said that contradicted my assertion that religious motivated crimes and secular crimes aren't interchangeable? What about the Nazis not being secular fact?

You're the one who keeps on bragging about this. Just stop ignoring my fucking answer and shut up if you see I have no desire debating with you on this subject. You're pissing me off because this is annoying.

I'm not bragging... I said that you saying my entire argument is wrong means nothing if you don't have a single explanation as to why its wrong. You don't have a single reason to give why my two points are wrong which is what I've been asking for this whole time. Your answer is that what I have said can't be considered a constructive point but what I've been asking for is how my points aren't constructive. Why would I ignore an answer that I repeatedly ask for?

As for the "conspiracy theory" about myself I admitted that I shouldn't have accused p0g of lying like that in the chat thread.

Stop arguing with RIFA. He could say that toast is made from a human spleen and he'd ramble on about it for 20 paragraphs trying to prove how he's right. You can't "win" an argument with him. No matter how fucking dumb the shit he spews is, he'll always think he's right. Just let it go Dafox. You'll only drive yourself crazy.

Crazy Eight wrote:Stop arguing with RIFA. He could say that toast is made from a human spleen and he'd ramble on about it for 20 paragraphs trying to prove how he's right. You can't "win" an argument with him. No matter how fucking dumb the shit he spews is, he'll always think he's right. Just let it go Dafox. You'll only drive yourself crazy.

Sounds good

The other side of the fine tuning argument

Gonna toss my two cents in here, might as well.

This might seem a bit nerdy but my life motto is "Nothing is true; Everything is permitted" (It was an actual phrase, historically). I am a Deist, not sure what to make of life. Even when I was as young as 8 I had existential thoughts, "Why am I viewing things like this, why am I this young boy and not something else? Why do I have these conditions and not everyone else does? Why am I on Earth, what else is out there?"

While my schools did do all those Christian hymns (I live in the UK, so I went through what was described in the OP), my parents decided that I wouldn't be baptised so I could choose my own beliefs. I didn't find this out until I was thirteen, so before them I assumed that I was Christian. While in many ways it's made me feel lost and questioning a lot of things, I am thankful for that decision. It did also make for a few problems in my second-secondary school, which was a Catholic one. I kept questioning things in Religion class and getting no answers.

I'm completely fine with other people having beliefs, however they should not force their own on to others. You should not brainwash others into your way of thinking and if there is a belief that is questionable ethically-speaking, then you can bet your ass I'm going to question it. I can see the values of Religion but I can also see the warts.

All I know is that there are different movements from the Christians out there that we are seeing now a days. Me living in Canada you wouldnt see Christians protesting about anything, or if they do it would never be as big as the ones in the states.

I was raised with 2 loving Christian parents. I guess I would have to call myself a Christian seeing that I was baptized and believe in Jesus. However, curiosity always lurks around my head since I was little and I've questioned about many things whether be it general life or what people believe. I've never ever went up to someone's face and they are going to hell because they aren't a believer. Nor would my family do that at all despite of them being really religious.

The problem I'm seeing now, especially in the states, Christianity wise is that they are using their beliefs as a tool to stop anything that will go against with what they believe is wrong. They claim that they are doing it in the name of "God". But how is it so that they are certain that this is truly what the Bible is all about? Especially when they've ignored a lot of passages that pertains to not judging people and loving one another??? I'm actually sad that there are many people out there today believes that the Christians in the states pretty much defines what Christianity is today.

I have atheist friends and they are great people. They know what I believe in and they have no problems with it nor do I have any conflicts with their position and thoughts. I don't see any kind of sign from God nor do I feel obliged to convert them. Because it's fucking wrong. For the past few years I've simply learned the philosophical parts within the Bible that can actually help me or anyone on a daily basis and most of it have nothing to do with imposing people with what you believe, it deals more with self reflection, finding yourself and dealing with issues, people or yourself. There are passages that also helps you how to be happy and ignoring all the negative things in life, in the most simple way. Which is an important thing because now a days, I know enough people who are depress because they don't know who they are nor do they know where they are. So they turn to anything that has to do with hurting themselves, mentally and physically. I'm not saying only the Bible does btw. All religion have some kind of philosophical content in them. And they all can be helpful and interesting.

At the end of the day, as a Christian I do believe that the government shall not have any kind of religious system being implemented. I have no problem with the gays whatsoever (as long as they respect me of course). Abortion is no problem for me especially if the person would die due to health issues with having to have a baby. However I do feel like abortion is one way to escape your own responsibility and mistake... especially when you know what the consequences are

I love everyone equally whether you white, black, yellow, (purple?? ) Hell, I'll even love thy enemy or even someone who is very disrespectful to me. It just causes less problems for me if I keep thinking it that way. Other wise I might as well end up in Jersey Shore and have beef with everyone else just because it's somehow entertaining for the masses...

dafox wrote:

That was a fun vid.

I read up more on DInesh D'Souza and I simply cannot believe some of this shit he spews, like blaming extremist Muslim rage and 9/11 on liberal culture in America.

Cilogy wrote:

dafox wrote:

That was a fun vid.

I read up more on DInesh D'Souza and I simply cannot believe some of this shit he spews, like blaming extremist Muslim rage and 9/11 on liberal culture in America.

If you liked this video I recommend looking up Sam Harris who like Hitchens is a very entertaining and articulate speaker. D'Souza is one of the more respectable Apologists although he's currently trying to uncover a conspiracy on Barack Obama.