Religious Discussions

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Religion stems from early man's inability to comprehend the complex nature of the world/universe around him. The big three - Christianity, Islam, and Judaism - are literally and inherently ignorant because they were established and developed centuries before the philosophical era of the civilizations of which they stem from. The human brain has always speculatively pondered the nature of existence, but because of societal influences, has relied too much on accepting answers that have not been proven or worse, stem from questions that weren't properly formulated. In the end, regardless of what argument you make in favor of religion, it all comes down to one simple truth - how can you believe or argue something of which the very nature of it's deity is to be incomprehensible? That's like me trying to explain how a black hole works when my very understanding of it is limited to my observations, of which, defy the parameters of my basis of comprehension - The Laws Of Physics. Thus, because its illogical to make any ignorant assertions about something I don't understand, I must strive to learn. To educate. To evolve my limited understanding and expand the parameters of my mind. THAT is what philosophy teaches. Even if you can find no questions, continue to ponder, to question. Religion does no such thing. It teaches that what you do understand (or think you do), regardless of how absurd and stupid it is live by it. Live by it and denounce any and all that contradict it. Which in the case of religion, ANY and ALL do in fact contradict it. And when you come upon these BLATANT contradictions, instead of pondering, questioning, and striving for answers, instead just accept what you're told and submit that god is beyond understanding so *shrug*. Religion is literally the philosophical darkness of ignorance - and therefore must be illuminated and eventually eradicated by philosophy and...well...just plain common sense. :leoface:

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Religion is a defence mechanism for those who cant handle reality. And there will always be those who can't deal with the real world, there will always be people who will think of god(s), afterlife and other superstitious non-sense as something real.
The_One_Who_KNOCKS wrote:...and therefore must be illuminated and eventually eradicated by philosophy and...well...just plain common sense. :leoface:
I think, you put way too much faith in humanity. As great as it can be, in some cases it is greatly overrated. I don't think religion will ever die. I mean I hope so, but so far there's no evidence that such thing could possibly happen in the (near) future. It's in human nature to lie to ourselves. We all do it - nobody is an exception to this. But I could be wrong - in some one hundred years who knows - people may be looking upon the Bible, Jesus and every other religious story just as a myth, just as a legend - like Zeus, Thor and etc. The way it should be interpreted - not as real.

Science is the only reasonable way...!

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Just like to add- I am non-religious and pro-religion (in some regards anyway).

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BeHappyAndStupid wrote:Religion is a defence mechanism for those who cant handle reality. And there will always be those who can't deal with the real world, there will always be people who will think of god(s), afterlife and other superstitious non-sense as something real.
The_One_Who_KNOCKS wrote:...and therefore must be illuminated and eventually eradicated by philosophy and...well...just plain common sense. :leoface:
I think, you put way too much faith in humanity. As great as it can be, in some cases it is greatly overrated. I don't think religion will ever die. I mean I hope so, but so far there's no evidence that such thing could possibly happen in the (near) future. It's in human nature to lie to ourselves. We all do it - nobody is an exception to this. But I could be wrong - in some one hundred years who knows - people may be looking upon the Bible, Jesus and every other religious story just as a myth, just as a legend - like Zeus, Thor and etc. The way it should be interpreted - not as real.

Science is the only reasonable way...!
Lol I guess I forgot to mention that I actually have no faith in humanity or at least just a little. Everything you said I totally agree with except that it'll take so long for people to wake up. I mean (based on my limited understanding and research), Scandinavian countries are pretty damn impressive when it comes to not being retarded. They along with the Czech Republic, Azerbaijan, and Estonia are continuously listed as the world's most progressive countries for years. The majority of their populations are non-religious/agnostic, believing there may be a higher consciousness/being out there but choose not to define it by rudimentary human definition and there's a lot of other things they implement that I've always agreed with and was overjoyed when I stumbled upon them and their societies. And (even though I don't believe it offers definite proof to the argument but still think it interesting and worth noting nonetheless) they have higher IQ's, education standards, income, life expectancy, and literacy rates, with lower crime rates, poverty, and unemployment. It just seems those guys are more forward thinking than everyone else not only in religious aspects but, life and politics in general and have benefited greatly. America treats socialism like its the end of the world (which for such a heavily capitalistic and douchey country like us it kinda is) but Sweden is doing fucking great. I'm not saying America should just up and switch to socialism because we took advantage of our capitalist freedoms and fucked ourselves so now we gotta figure a way out of it using those same capitalistic ideals because if we began implementing socialistic policies in our current state of economic unrest all hell would break loose - not just from the inexperience of the new economic regime but the fear among the public it would cause. Like I said, America treats socialism like fucking armageddon. Now of course there are some countries (like U.S.) or Canada that aren't so irreligious, that also have high marks usually when it comes to development, not progression. Of course some may think the two are interchangeable until you realize that the U.S. is and has always been rich and powerful (which some would argue but if we aren't then damn it at least we do a good job of faking it - which again some would argue) which would lead to us being very developed. However when you look at how we are progressing/moving forward you realize we're blitzing by at a snail's pace. Everything stays the same or gets worse. Never better. I'm not even just talking politically, I mean socially as well. We are stuck in limbo. Things you'd expect us to excel at we don't. Hell, often times we don't even come close! We have a large influence sure, but as religion can attest, influence does not equal validity. To conclude, obviously the most developed countries are doing something we aren't (or maybe doing something we are, just better), but whether that can be attributed to religion or not is anybody's guess. In my opinion, considering the massive detrimental effects of religion, I say......in the words of the great HEISENBERG Image YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT

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Religions (nowadays) , IMO, are not more than historical heritage like any other ancient heritage of the people. The problem is some schmucks took that simple heritage and made a whole trivial mythology upon it just for the sake of their benefits .. and the story goes on. So,..
In a way, I agree with most of the topic-writer's opinion.

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And the voice of reason.
All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether.
- The Dalai Lama
http://io9.com/5942616/dalai-lama-tells ... r-adequate


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I wonder what Christian schools tell their students about The Last Temptation of Christ...

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juliansplat4 wrote:I wonder what Christian schools tell their students about The Last Temptation of Christ...
As in the film? Nothing. Absolutely fack-all. At least, not in my school :lol:

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Something happened a few days ago in my lecture at university that kind of bugged me and I wanted to discuss with you guys. In my International Relations somehow my professor started openly bashing Scientology, taking cheap jabs at it and the whole class got a cheap laugh at his comments. Now I in no way support Scientology or anything like that but I don't understand why it is socially acceptable to bash certain religions over another, fair enough Scientology as a religion has public pop-culture figures that do more harm than good in representing the cause, and it seems far more ungrounded than other religions but the point I'm trying to make is that people believe in this and it brings them comfort. If he were to get up infront of 300+ students and openly bash Christianity or Islam it would start a shit storm. I don't understand why people have to be a dick about religions that they don't like or fully understand, keep it to yourself and respect what brings other people comfort, simple as that. As a student I was actually offended that he felt that it would be appropriate to do such a thing in an academic setting.

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