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It would be ridiculous to back Hillary again. I hope it's going to be someone else.

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Democrats fucking deserve to lose if it's Hillary again

that's a dumber decision than virtually anything Trump has done

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There's always someone else will to do the job so idk if this will have much effect

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This season of Veep is ridiculous yo.

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NBC News - Democrats won House popular vote by largest midterm margin since Watergate
Nationally, Democrats have 53.1 percent of all votes counted while Republicans took 45.2 percent.

Details: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxDaxD5az6kdOjJncmGph37z0BPNhV1fNAH_g7IkpC0/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

Trump won a similar 46% of the vote in 2016. Due to the anti-Trump vote (54%) being divided between Clinton and third parties - particularly in key states which slightly tipped those states to Trump - Trump won the electoral college. Obama won a similar 52.9% of the vote in 2008 and 51% in 2012.

BBC News - US election turnout highest for 104 years
If Donald Trump has one undisputable achievement during the first two years of his presidency, it's that he has succeeded in increasing the political engagement of a large share of the American public.

Preliminary figures for nationwide turnout in the 2018 mid-term elections are in, and they've reached a mark not seen in more than a century. Across the US, 49.2% of the voting age public cast ballots. In 2014 that number was 37%, and the average over the last few decades has hovered around 40%.

The last time turnout for a mid-term topped 50% was 1914 - before women had the vote in the US.

In some states, the numbers were even higher. Washington and Colorado, which heavily utilise voting by mail, topped the list at 69.4% and 65.5%, respectively. Minnesota, always a high-participation state, came in at 64.3% this year.

Even states with lower 2018 turnout saw sharp increases over recent mid-terms. In Texas enthusiasm generated by Democrat Beto O'Rourke (who was narrowly defeated) helped boost turnout to 46.1%, compared to 28.3% in 2014. Georgia, which had a contentious governor race, saw an increase from 38.6% to 55%.

In California, where several prominent Republican congressional incumbents have been unseated, turnout rose from 30.7% to 47.8%

The numbers across the US still fall short of the roughly 60% voter participation seen during recent presidential elections, although 2018 does come close to the 51.7% mark for Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign. And digging back farther into the historical records, it surpasses the levels of the 1920 and 1924 presidential years.

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MagnarTheGreat wrote:
November 8th, 2018, 7:38 am
The Week - This graph shows how brutal the 2018 midterm really was for Trump

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Because of the disparity of the president's party losing seats during a time of strong employment and inflation conditions as well as rising home prices, the JPMorgan analysts determined that Trump actually had "the worst House retention rate" of anyone in his position in a century. Not exactly what you would call a "tremendous success," perhaps.
TJ Cox (D) has just now taken the lead in CA CD21. This would be the net +40 pickup for House Democrats if he and the others ultimately wins instead of the 34-36 estimated early in the above quote.

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Sources:
Election Statistics, 1920 to Present | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
national-1789-present - United States Elections Project
2018g - United States Elections Project
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxDaxD5az6kdOjJncmGph37z0BPNhV1fNAH_g7IkpC0/htmlview

Biggest House vote margin of victory (20 elections 1980-2018)
  1. 1982 midterm (D+11.77)
  2. 2008 (D+10.55)
  3. 1986 midterm (D+9.96)
  4. 2018 midterm (D+8.57 result not final)
  5. 1990 midterm (D+8.01)

Highest House % vote share (20 elections 1980-2018)
  1. 1982 midterm (Democrats 54.99%)
  2. 1986 midterm (Democrats 54.12%)
  3. 2018 midterm (Democrats 53.41% result not final)
  4. 1988 (Democrats 53.22%)
  5. 2008 (Democrats 52.93%)
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The Washington Post - Julian Assange has been charged, prosecutors reveal inadvertently in court filing

CNN - [Trump campaign manager] Manafort lied after pleading guilty, Mueller's team says

The Guardian - Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say
Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told.

Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House.

It is unclear why Manafort wanted to see Assange and what was discussed. But the last meeting is likely to come under scrutiny and could interest Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is investigating alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

A well-placed source has told the Guardian that Manafort went to see Assange around March 2016. Months later WikiLeaks released a stash of Democratic emails stolen by Russian intelligence officers.
A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”.
Mueller investigating 2017 meeting between Manafort and Ecuador's President - CNNPolitics

CNN Exclusive: President Trump told Robert Mueller that he wasn't told about the 2016 Trump Tower meeting and that former adviser Roger Stone did not tell him about WikiLeaks

The Daily Beast - Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi Pushed Seth Rich Lie After Privately Admitting Hackers Stole DNC Emails

NY Post - Trump says pardon for Paul Manafort still a possibility

Wall Street Journal - Manafort Lied About Business Dealings, Mueller’s Team Believes

CNN - Michael Cohen pleads guilty, says he lied about Trump's knowledge of Moscow project


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