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Batfan175 wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:48 am
Artemis wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:52 pm
You do realize that parents going to jail for truancy is like a nationwide thing right? Are we really going to go after Harris for enforcing laws that are in place everywhere? And if you're a parent, your kid going to school should be a top priority. I can't believe we're going after someone who wants kids to be in school.

Warren was a Republican until her 30s or 40s I believe so no she is not "consistent."

Bernie is probably the only candidate who is the most consistent but he's not going to get the nomination because Americans still hate the word "socialism."
We're going after someone who thinks jailing a kid's parents is an acceptable solution to a problem as comparatively slight as truancy. If your kid doesn't want to go to school, maybe there are a bunch of social or other reasons for that, none of which jailing a kid's parents is going to resolve at all. Plus, Harris' staff advised her against it so, no, not everyone thinks this is an acceptable or even normal solution to the problem.
This is a viewpoint I didn't consider.

I still don't think Harris was coming from a bad place though. Kids, especially lower income kids, do need to be in school because it can have many positive benefits.

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Let's not be too negative here.

Trump's obvious dementia might get the better of him before November 2020.

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New York Magazine - William Barr’s Secret Pro-Trump Memo Keeps Getting More Suspicious (January 15, 2019)
Last month, The Wall Street Journal published an explosive scoop that, like most recent mind-boggling political scandals, would have commanded headlines for weeks had it not been superseded by a dozen other explosive scandals in rapid succession. The Journal reported that William Barr, President Trump’s nominee for attorney general, had sent the Department of Justice an unsolicited 20-page memo arguing against prosecuting Trump for obstruction of justice.

The Journal report depicts the Barr memo as a surprise to Trump — something the president learned about only after having selected Barr. “After Mr. Trump offered him the job, Mr. Barr briefly told the president that he had written a memo about aspects of the Russia probe that could spur questions during his confirmation hearing, according to a person familiar with the process,” the Journal reported. “It wasn’t immediately clear how Mr. Trump responded, but a second person familiar with the matter said the memo played no role in his decision to choose Mr. Barr.”

It would be troubling enough that the attorney general just happened to express a tendentiously pro-Trump opinion about his criminal case before going on to oversee it. But now a new report by CNN says the Journal had it wrong. According to “a source familiar with the discussions,” Barr “discussed the memo with Trump prior to his nomination.”

So the fact that the president who believes the attorney general should be his Roy Cohn appointed a candidate who had submitted a long defense of Trump to the president’s lawyers turns out not to have been a massive coincidence.
New York Times - Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed
WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.
The Washington Post - Limited information Barr has shared about Russia investigation frustrated some on Mueller’s team
Philip Rucker: Mueller wrote summaries for different sections of the report so that Barr could immediately release them publicly, with minimum redactions so that “the work would have spoken for itself,” a U.S. official told WaPo. Barr did not release the summaries.
The Washington Post - Jared Kushner identified as senior White House official whose security clearance was denied by career officials

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Just let the collusion go. It's the wrong angle to attack Trump.

Actually, with the economy being as good as it is, I really don't see the Dems having anything important on Trump when it comes to 2020. Him being racist and sexist already proved to be inconsequential to the average voter. If people have jobs, they'll vote for him again. It doesn't matter that the economy started growing with Obama's administration and continues growing at the same pace now, not higher. They'll reward the person who's in power now.

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as annoying as Lelek is, I have to agree with that

Americans have proven that we'd rather live on borrowed time and will tolerate racism, sexism and corruption, as long as we have a job.

Which is why our species is pretty much doomed.

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Michaelf2225 wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 7:31 pm
beto is basically the only one who i like, but he's inexperienced (not compared to Trump, but still), and i don't think he's progressive enough to get past the primaries considering where the democratic base seems to be

i also think he might be the best (announced) candidate they could put up in the general

but yeah, it's mostly just a lame list of people that i can't imagine anyone could get excited about
Anyone is exciting in comparison to Trump.

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Watched the Joe Rogan podcast on the Mueller report. It’s really sad, there is actually a good chance most people were played like a fiddle by the media :lol:

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Associated Press: U.S. Department of Justice: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on federal conspiracy charge


See the times Trump has praised WikiLeaks - CNN Video

NBC News: NBC News counted Trump mentioning WikiLeaks 145 times during the last month of the 2016 race

Trump logic (partially copied from someone else's post on other forum)
'I know all about x' = Trump doesn't know anything
'I know nothing about x' = Trump knows it well
'x is something bad' = Trump projects his own flaws and deeds onto others

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The Republicans in my city are having a rally against socialism at the town square (public government property that is open to everyone) between the hours of 12PM-2PM (guess Republicans are unemployed or NEETs if they have the time to go to rallies in the middle of the day).

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