prince0gotham wrote:That's why it's wrong. How isn't it? It's thoughtless, careless, irresponsible on top of sending the wrong message. If it wants to say how minor actions can make people commits suicide or hurt themselves, for them to be trying to say that the pov should've been from the perspective of the bully. Also, make the bully relatable so that anyone who sees the commercial would easily connect with him (and not know he's a bully in advance). That way, upon the realization of the concequences of one's actions, anyone who sees the commercial would feel warned that his actions can hurt others.
The way it is though it really gives no idea of scale. Most younglings that see the commercial will detach themselves from the bullies and they won't think much about it. The rest will see how some commercial tells them that being bullied is horrible and how it inevitably leads to being hurt or dying. The commercial literally spells out how there's no other option and it says that because there's really no one else there other than those three characters. It's not like the other commercial where the events themselves inspire brotherly help in every viewer. This one inspires a feeling of tragedy and inevitable doom... unless a certain organisation saves you. It's also only possible to help others through that certain organisation. See, these commercials never tell the viewer how to help others or how to be resilient and stand for themselvs. They tell the viewer how to be a victim or call/join an institution so that collectively you'd eventually help yourself/people.
I don't think either commercial is more important than the other, in fact I think both messages are important. One being solidarity and helping others, the other touching on careless actions. Just because the second is a commercial with a cautionary message doesn't mean it's misleading or wrong. While the first ad has a positive message that is definitely important, it's also equally important to imply the rather tragic consequences, or in other words, the realities of what bullying can do in some cases.
In fact, the message of this ad was spelled out in clear white letters, "words have consequences". That's the point, it's not about creating victims, it's about sending the message that the victims already exist and you should probably look at what you're doing or take responsibility for your actions or words. The reality is that while there are many cases in which help can be sought out, there are also many situations in which the victim of bullying does feel alone, and has no one to turn to. There are many times when it does actually feel like it's only those 3 people. I know it myself because I was in the same situation, but I won't speak about that here.
In those situations, we can't excuse the actions of those individuals who commit careless acts. We can't go on with this idea that picking on others, degrading others, and "bullying" is like a force of nature.
Also, I'm not sure what organization you're referring to.
I don't understand what you're not getting. I'm talking to you about how a certain message, by being shown enough times to enough people, teaches a certain mindset. It's like Twilight teaching a whole generation of young girls to be passive and characterless, to get into trouble only so you'd get saved by either one of the two guys that are in love with you. Whatever the movie's intended message is it's so travestized that it inevitably teaches something else entirely, especially because it's so fucking popular. If it wasn't a huge trend then it would've never ever really lead to educating a certain mentality, but it is. It's like that with movements that use commercials like that one. The larger they become the more pronounced the double meanings in their commercials are -> the more the negative one shows its faultyness. I recommend seeing the latter half of that first interview in the OP if you haven't about how much of a problem that is. I can't see how you can agree with that and not agree with the way this commercial is actually a part of it. The movements are becoming larger but they're not becoming more careful with their messages. On a mass scale this changes everything.
EDIT: i'm not even criticizing the organisations so much as much i'm criticizing how they handle publicity and how there's never commercials that don't point to an organisation
prince0gotham wrote:I don't understand what you're not getting. I'm talking to you about how a certain message, by being shown enough times to enough people, teaches a certain mindset. It's like Twilight teaching a whole generation of young girls to be passive and characterless, to get into trouble only so you'd get saved by either one of the two guys that are in love with you. Whatever the movie's intended message is it's so travestized that it inevitably teaches something else entirely, especially because it's so fucking popular. If it wasn't a huge trend then it would've never ever really lead to educating a certain mentality, but it is. It's like that with movements that use commercials like that one. The larger they become the more pronounced the double meanings in their commercials are -> the more the negative one shows its faultyness. I recommend seeing the latter half of that first interview in the OP and how much of a problem that is. I can't see how you can agree with that and not agree with the way this commercial is actually a part of it. The movements are becoming larger but they're not becoming more careful with their messages. On a mass scale this changes everything.
EDIT: i'm not even criticizing the organisations so much as much i'm criticizing how they handle publicity and how there's never commercials that don't point to an organisation
I guess I just don't see how the ad is teaching that mentality. Part of me feels like you're reading into it a little too much simply because it's not a positive message.
EDIT: I don't know, maybe there's just something I'm not seeing, I'll get back to you.