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What was the last movie you watched? III

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I wouldn't say The Prestige is my favorite Nolan, no way. I'd put Nolan's intentions of ''crafting an epic'' above everything else, so TDK and Inception are definitely better in that sense.
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But... this isn't based off my opinion at all, go read all the reviews. I'm basing this off the reviews on RT, the comments on most sites that ever talk about movies, and what most people I've ever spoken to about the film, most of them adamantly claim the film is too cold. I've shown the film to my friends, I've seen it in several classes, two of them film classes, friends have seen it in film classes at different schools, the reaction is completely the same. I don't think it is, I think your brain is too busy on a first or maybe second viewing to let yourself feel the emotion of this great story, and I only know this because I wanted to see if they had a different reaction on a few viewing like I did. Far as I can tell, it's a universal reaction to the movie.

Making a film emotionally accessible is a typical necessity for films to work, it's a huge criticism of almost all the people mentioned above, though it wasn't from me on a first viewing (proving this isn't me rambling about my opinion and assuming it applies to everyone- I thought it was amazing from the get go).

The Prestige and Inception, sometimes called cold, were still emotionally accessible for far more people (again, per the same types of sample pools) but didn't necessarily lose any complexity. I think The Prestige is more complex than Memento anyway, which is pretty straightforward in some respects depending on how your mind organizes information.

EDIT: What are you guys talking about? Did you even read my posts? Where did I even begin to criticize Memento other than for its lack of emotional accessibility? Not once did I mention anything about their minds being blown or not, wanting to rematch it or not, or thinking it was masterfully composed or not. Please pay attention to what I say before labeling my comments "crazy."


-Vader
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Mason wrote:
GothamGirl wrote:The Hunger Games

7.5/10

What'd you think of the painful CGI?



Not the worst ive seen but pretty fucking bad...they did have quite a tight budget.
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jibran wrote:I actually think the man needs to work on the emotional aspect of his films, but The Prestige was brimming with emotion (in a good way), the actors (especially Rebecca Hall) helped a fair bit. It felt intimate. But in any case, cold or not, Memento engages me more than any of his other films.

Yeah emotion in his films is a common criticism, i hear it alot about inception. Maybe i'm alone but i couldnt disagree more about inception every time i hear time at the end, or the vault scene i always am filled with emotion. I would agree that Rebecca Hall was amazing in Prestige though.
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Vader, Memento doesn't need to have that emotional accessibility so your complaint is pointless and ridiculous in my book. Would you say 2001 needed emotional accessibility? Would you say A Clockwork Orange needed emotional accessibility? The lack of that emotional accessibility is a common complaint for almost all Nolan movies except The Prestige. You want emotional accessibility? Watch Steven Spielberg. He's a master at that.

Every person I know that has seen Memento literally went nuts for that movie from the first time. Sometimes coldness is a director's best trait. Should we forget that Kubrick's movies were, and still are by many, considered cold as fuck?

As for Nolan's best. I'd say it's a battle between The Dark Knight and Memento. Inception and The Prestige fall short of that because one is based on cliches and it has weak points, and the other is probably Nolan's most emotional film yet it lacks an overall degree of excitement while seeing it. You realize it's a wonderful film but you're not really feeding from it's flesh. Memento is basically the movie that MADE Nolan who he is, The Dark Knight was the movie that proved that he has the ability to turn a blockbuster into a masterpiece of the genre.
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You don't' think it's a problem to have a film about love and loss without emotion or drama?

-Vader
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Vader182 wrote:You don't' think it's a problem to have a film about love and loss without emotion or drama?

-Vader

there was plenty of that considering this was a modern day noir film
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Vader182 wrote:You don't' think it's a problem to have a film about love and loss without emotion or drama?

-Vader

No. Memento isn't about love :problem: .

It is about loss (in a certain amount) but the emotion in the film is enough for that. Don't act like Memento is completely emotionless. A movie like Memento is made to shock the audience and move them without making them cry or feel pity for the characters. It's like a distant and brutal view on life seen through a window. You can't really feel it but you acknowledge it and that makes you think and question the reality around you. That's Memento. And sometimes a feeling like this is beautiful.

Why do you think critics praised the shit out of this film and moviegoers and cinephiles around the world? Because it was impeccable? Why do you think it's in almost anyone's best ten movies of the last decade? Because it lacked emotion and drama? Let me LOL, please.
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If you keep responding so rudely, I'm reporting you and adding you to my foe list. Please grow up and respect people's opinions. I'm done here tonight, that argument was full of bad logic (assuming your emotional reaction to the movie was the same as everyone's else's "sure it had enough emotion") and you're doing what you've accused me of.

The film is "about" many things, but the entire arc of the main character is one of love and loss, with many lingering scenes and shots of him deeply haunted and moved. I guess we're supposed to feel nothing in that myriad of scenes. My mistake.

-Vader
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Vader182 wrote:If you keep responding so rudely, I'm reporting you and adding you to my foe list. Please grow up and respect people's opinions. I'm done here tonight, that argument was full of bad logic (assuming your emotional reaction to the movie was the same as everyone's else's "sure it had enough emotion") and you're doing what you've accused me of.

The film is "about" many things, but the entire arc of the main character is one of love and loss, with many lingering scenes and shots of him deeply haunted and moved. I guess we're supposed to feel nothing in that myriad of scenes. My mistake.

-Vader

What was rude about my answer? Because I said "Let me LOL, please?"

Well I gave my arguments and asked you rhetorical questions which in my opinion are already answered. I just don't see how you can say such things about Memento and ignoring a lot of elements that are important?

There was nothing rude in that. I'm just amazed that you don't want to take in consideration every other aspect. You're criticizing Memento for things that are really meaningless. And you're backing everything of with what exactly? I haven't read a detailed answer from you on this one.

So sorry if you thought that "LOL, please" was so... rude. And Memento really isn't about love but if you think it is then I would suggest you to watch the movie again. But of course, you are entitled to think that Memento is about whatever you want. But that's another discussion.
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