Bacon wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 3:02 am

Vader182 wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 2:56 am

that's one tiny part of one short scene, so making that the crux of your point kind of weakens your overall point, no?

I don't actually have an answer to that, though. I'll have to rewatch it. There's a few other things i'd like to clear up on additional viewings. But these type of banal logic issues are, to me, the least interesting way to watch movies.


-Vader

But it's not one tiny part of one short scene. And it's not the crux of my post was either.

How are the tethers able to break free from their impulse to mimic their doppelganger's behavior? This is how the revolution happens, and they don't explain how they're able to gain the ability to fight back. This is only worsened by Jason. Why are Jason/Pluto tied in this mirrored way, but no other tethers we see in the film are? We see tethers putting themselves through immense bodily strain, mimicking their doppelganger's actions and movements, but somehow they're able to unite and carry out their plan. This isn't just a single scene, it's part of a larger and pivotal plot point the film revolves around.

Like...dude. Don't react this way or write me off when I'm bringing up legitimate issues (these issues are widely being talked about right now online, and I'm not the only one). I've already admitted they bother me more than most as well. No need to get hostile. I liked the film, and I intend to see it again relatively soon, I'm literally seeking counter-arguments to prove myself wrong about it because I dug the core concept so much.

Bacon wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 1:59 am

Setting metaphor and subtext aside:

Certain aspects try really hard to make the twist work. Adelaide's primal screams and sighs when she kills her doppelganger, along with her hints about how she struggles speaking. But I find it extremely odd that Adelaide (the one alive at the end of the film) seems to have no memory of her origin until the plot decides to let her have the revelation. Why has she forgotten throughout all of this and is just now remembering it when she's been going through way more traumatic experiences throughout the runtime of the film? Or has she not forgotten at all? That option might be even more problematic. Not to mention her doppelganger not bringing this up in the slightest. I understand this version of her has gone insane, but I'm not sure how that affects the way she speaks to the extent it obviously does and I'm not sure how it affects her memories because she appears to have no recollection of being the real Adelaide. EDIT: Just read somewhere that the original Adelaide had her throat crushed? Was this explicitly shown and how did I miss that if it was?

This muddied final twist is also worsened by just how far-fetched the entire clone concept is. The final image of the reds holding hands is powerful, and dare-I-say iconic, but the helicopters in the sky reinforce just how pointless this gesture is. All of the reds will most likely be taken down easily as soon as they finish their public display. Why did they go through all this effort to just do...this? Was it ever explained how any of them were even able to break through their fixed patterns of behavior in the first place? They all seemed to be completely powerless in the flashbacks. How did Adelaide's doppelganger organize the revolution? There's tons of variables glossed over. It's not the point of the film but there are tons of things that don't line up logically. It's a great Twilight Zone episode, but it hurts the film as a whole imo.

The first two thirds were near pitch-perfect only to crumble its concepts under its own ambition, something I'm surprised happened considering Peele's previous navigation of pitfalls. He provides lots of ideas to think about but the film could have been so much stronger if the material that the ideas come from was more solid.

I'm fully aware I'm in the minority on this.

Ivan wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 8:12 am

When she's taken in the house of mirrors, her doppelganger grabs her by the neck and the scene fades to black. When she wakes up chained to the bed, she doesn't scream or say anything. I imagined that's how it happened.

Angus wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 12:49 pm

This movie is a masterpiece. It far exceeded Get Out for me.
Peele is officially one of the most exciting filmmakers today in my opinion. I hope this streak continues. He's the only mainstream filmmaker in Hollywood doing anything interesting with the Horror genre right now.

Artemis wrote: ↑

March 25th, 2019, 8:40 am

Bacon does raise some good points though.

The dopplegangers breaking free of their routine literally adds to the thematic elements of the film about class warfare/coming to terms with how the US treats its disenfranchised. I don't think this is something to brush off. It doesn't effect the overall quality of the film but it is a gnawing tidbit that will be discussed for a while. Peele might not address it but don't tear down other people who want to talk about it or dismiss their viewpoints.

This is like the second time in less than a month I'm seeing Bacon getting shit for no reason at all. First the Captain Marvel drama and now this. Lay off the dude damn.