There is a touch of Scorsese in there more than anything, in that Johnson believes the messiah can never be a truly believable yet inspring figure, unless he's a deeply flawed human being like the rest of us. Someone who gives up, doubts the cause, tends towards violence, but ultimately makes the right choice.
Johnson's significant input in terms of ideas, was always
Luke's intention to murder Ben. To see him losing all hopes to save a young rather innocent boy's soul is quite a sharp contrast from the much younger man, who never gave up on Vader. Johnson makes him responsible for all the misery that follows, a recurring theme in Jedi as well as Lucas' films, where well intetioned characters keep making crucial costly mistakes. But what really matters is, will they stick around to fix it.
This is also why the "they ruined Luke" stuff boggles my mind. Luke faces down the entire First Order, saves his friends, defeats and emasculates Kylo and inspires hope throughout the entire galaxy like the Beacons Are Lit sequence from ROTK.
But because Luke's final act is an act of pacifism, the anti-Luke people probably totally gloss over his accomplishment since he wasn't "badass" like Vader in Rogue One. We all know that's what they really wanted.
There is a touch of Scorsese in there more than anything, in that Johnson believes the messiah can never be a truly believable yet inspring figure, unless he's a deeply flawed human being like the rest of us. Someone who gives up, doubts the cause, tends towards violence, but ultimately makes the right choice.
Johnson's significant input in terms of ideas, was always
Luke's intention to murder Ben. To see him losing all hopes to save a young rather innocent boy's soul is quite a sharp contrast from the much younger man, who never gave up on Vader. Johnson makes him responsible for all the misery that follows, a recurring theme in Jedi as well as Lucas' films, where well intetioned characters keep making crucial costly mistakes. But what really matters is, will they stick around to fix it.
This is also why the "they ruined Luke" stuff boggles my mind. Luke faces down the entire First Order, saves his friends, defeats and emasculates Kylo and inspires hope throughout the entire galaxy like the Beacons Are Lit sequence from ROTK.
But because Luke's final act is an act of pacifism, the anti-Luke people probably totally gloss over his accomplishment since he wasn't "badass" like Vader in Rogue One. We all know that's what they really wanted.
-Vader
Luke was pacifist in the end of RotJ. That doesn’t matter. What matters is Luke’s behavior was so against established character and the films don’t support it. It’s bad writing. Rian Johnson can’t write.
In the off chance anikom isn't trolling, I need to discuss the fact that it's not really "against character" for Luke to be the kind of man he is in TLJ.
If anything, it's in keeping with who he is. Throughout the OT he's inexperienced, he's rash, he's impatient, he puts emotion over logic.
TLJ accomplishes, in many ways, what started in Empire. The characters are flawed, they make mistakes, they do things they regret. They have ideals but don't always follow them.
After ROTJ, he fucks up, and he knows he fucks up, which is why he isolates himself. He fucks up so bad in fact, that he basically creates a new Vader.
It's perfect dude. Luke is a mess and burying his father doesn't just resolve everything.
Both Kylo Ren and Luke have the same Achilles Heel. The past, specifically the past glories of the OT, weighs down and cripples their judgement.
And as a result, Kylo seeks Vader's path to power while Luke creates Kylo Ren out of fear---he's scared Ren will wipe the accomplishments of the OT clean by resetting the status quo. Luke, like his father, fell victim to self-fulfilling prophecy, creating the future he tried to stop.
(this is also a major thematic thread from TFA that RJ follows)
In the off chance anikom isn't trolling, I need to discuss the fact that it's not really "against character" for Luke to be the kind of man he is in TLJ.
If anything, it's in keeping with who he is. Throughout the OT he's inexperienced, he's rash, he's impatient, he puts emotion over logic.
TLJ accomplishes, in many ways, what started in Empire. The characters are flawed, they make mistakes, they do things they regret. They have ideals but don't always follow them.
After ROTJ, he fucks up, and he knows he fucks up, which is why he isolates himself. He fucks up so bad in fact, that he basically creates a new Vader.
It's perfect dude. Luke is a mess and burying his father doesn't just resolve everything.
You’re ignoring the end of Empire and RotJ. He gets his hand cut off for being emotional and realizes Yoda and Ben were right. He commits to the Jedi way. In RotJ the realization that Leia is his sister begins to lead him astray, but by the end of the film he rejects killing Vader and even doesn’t try to defend himself from the Emperor. Luke’s not an idiot. He knew the Emperor was powerful and could kill him. He threw his lightsaber away for a reason.
Explain to me how Luke isn’t a pacifist by the end of RotJ.
Luke’s actions in TLJ were a regression of his character and the reasons for that are unclear. Regressions for characters need to be justified and Rian failed to do that because he’s a bad writer and he seems to believe old people are inherently bad, which is a stupid and dangerous idea.
If Vader returned somehow as a Sith Lord in TFA/TLJ you would have seen the same backlash (if not moreso). It’s not about characters being ‘bad ass’.
Below are the top 10 overall most anticipated movies for 2019 according to Atom Tickets:
Avengers 4: Endgame
Captain Marvel
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Toy Story 4
The Lion King
Star Wars: Episode IX
Aladdin
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Glass
Jumanji Sequel
That's why you don't trust ticket surveys or even pre-sold ticket numbers. I know that the fandom has been deeply affected by TLJ and we shouldn't expect record-breaking numbers from Episode IX. But it's definitely not less anticipated than Captain Marvel. It just so happens this is the nearest big blockbuster that's coming out and it's already been heavily marketed as opposed to the other films on this list. And considering none of the promo materials has made a big splash with the audiences I'm still surprised it's that high.
If I had to predict the world-wide Box Office, Episode IX would be number 4 if it's good:
1. Avengers Endgame 2B
2. The Lion King 1,3B
3. Frozen 2 1,2B 4. Star Wars Ep IX 1B
5. Spider-Man Far From Home 900M
6. Toy Story 4 900M
7. Captain Marvel 800M
8. Aladdin 800M
9. Wolf Warrior III 800M
10. Shazam 800M
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