wikoogle wrote:The Dark Knight was a perfect movie, with two minor caveats.
While the Joker recieved exceptional development and a fitting conclusion (one can simply assume that he is locked up in a maximum security prison), harvey dent/two face was not explored fully as a character.
The transition from Dent to Two Face was far too rapid. In the comic books, dent had a history of psychiatric problems that were confidential and thus unknown to anyone before he ever became two face. It made sense that he could go mad. But in the movie, it portrays a strong willed character, who just because the person he loved dies, abandons all logic and goes completely mad. That's not realistic character progression. A person doesn't simply go from sane to insane in an instant.
Two Face needs to come back in Batman 3. It makes perfect sense that Two Face was locked away at Arkham Asylam by Gordon without anyone's knowledge. If anyone found out that dent went crazy, the entire mob that was prosecuted by Dent could go free. Batman didn't check his pulse, he had no way to be sure that Dent was dead. There was no body shown at the memorial for Dent. So it makes perfect sense that Gordon would have gotten Dent the help he needs in Arkham while letting everyone think Dent is dead.
By bringing Dent back, introducing initially as a psych patient at Arkham, Nolan gets a chance to mention his confidential past where he did suffer from schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder with psychotic breaks.
Also Two Face is way too intersting and way too important a charater in the batman mythos to have been killed off in less than a half hour. There is a lot of room in Two Faces development. In one two face story arc, he develops a third personality unknown to the first two, that of justice, to right all the wrongs in the world. That would make for a great story arc. Two Faces existence becoming known, the mob getting retrials only to be hunted by two face's third personality - justice, and batman and possibly even two face getting retribution would all make for a compelling story in the third film.
I disagree with the fact that the transition of Dent into Two-Face was too rapid:
1. If you watch the movie again then you will see that, even before Rachel dies, Dent is hesitating between killing the schizophrenic guy he caught. He tells him "If you don't answer my questions then I will let the Justice do with this coin" and then he goes with "heads or tails" either you're saved or you die. I think it was a very subtle and interesting way to show us that Dent wasn't a righteous man already there. Just like Batman he was wearing a mask and the public image he was showing wasn't exactly who he truely was. He was the white knight for the world but he wasn't really deep inside. And that's also why it was so easy for the Joker to make him change completely.
2. People who knew him, already called him Two-face before because most of the time he was playing with his coin and probably deciding what to do with its help.
I agree though that it might have been a bit early to kill him there. But well... It makes sens in the story. My main problem though was the coin (hope someon can help me
). Is the coin double-faced or is it the same face on both sides? If it's the case, why does he have to throw his coin many times before telling someone that he should die?
George wrote:The first hour of Batman Begins is vastly superior to the rest of the film. And it's not because of Katie Holmes and the little kid.
My main issue with the second half of the film mainly lies with the screenplay, which too often falls back on the norms of superhero films in both dialog and events. What starts out as an excellent drama turns into something relatively unchallenging and expected. And I think that's what really separates The Dark Knight from Batman Begins. The Dark Knight rarely panders and remains audacious the entire way through.
THIS! I also got bored a bit (mostly the first time I saw BB) the second part of the film. I also think Scarecrow wasn't such an impressive villain. Mostly if you compare him to the Joker in TDK!