i am not sure what you mean.. are you saying that Leonard doesn't suffer from anterograde amnesia?? or that he demonstrates multiple types of amnesia (anterograde from the head injury, and repressed memory from the insulin injections)..dustbust5 wrote: "Repressed memory refers to the inability to recall information, usually about stressful or traumatic events in persons' lives, such as a violent attack or rape. The memory is stored in long term memory, but access to it is impaired because of psychological defense mechanisms. Persons retain the capacity to learn new information and there may be some later partial or complete recovery of memory. This contrasts with e.g. anterograde amnesia caused by amnestics such as benzodiazepines or alcohol, where an experience was prevented from being transferred from temporary to permanent memory storage: it will never be recovered, because it was never stored in the first place. Formerly known as "Psychogenic Amnesia"."
"Functional causes are psychological factors, such as mental disorder, post-traumatic stress or, in psychoanalytic terms, defense mechanisms.".
The belief is that Leonard's condition is not that simple, based on several hints Nolan gives us that his condition is as mental as it is physical.
procedural memory is still intact in anterograde amnesia patients.. burning the picture to remove certain undesirable "facts" isdustbust5 wrote:Perhaps the single most important one is when Natalie tries to burn a Polaroid of a victim, and while panicking Leonard instinctually answers "you have to burn them". He says this as if he has a clear memory of this from when he burned pictures of other victims, and this would mean his memory works in the case that a memory is required in order to allow the delusion.
no different than Leonard knowing (instinctively) that he needs to look at pictures to know what his current context is..
and that is the part i don't understand.. if the head trauma made Leonard suffer from aterograde amnesia, he wouldn't remember the episode of him injecting an excess of insulin into his wife... not even through the repressive biographical story of Sammy..dustbust5 wrote:Perhaps even scarier is when Teddy tells Leonard that he killed his wife, Leonard seems speechless as he is rushed with images of his wife being alive and the tarp either coming off or being put on, then comes the big one, him giving his wife insulin. We then see Leonard defend himself from this memory by saying his wife wasn't diabetic, he then replays the last memory but now he lies to himself, showing himself the manipulated memory of him pinching her so that he doesn't remember her being diabetic, from this second on we never come back to the issue, although we see Leonard continue to act in a manner just aware and focused enough to maintain his lifestyle and delusion.
if we assume that Sammy is indeed a self defense construct of Leonard, a question worth asking is:
how does Leonard (a patient of anterograde amnesia) remember the episode after his head trauma?
no amount of subconscious guilt would register in the long term and Leonard could easily live in ignorance (and bliss) rather
than retain memories of the insulin overdose..
Sammy's case is unique in that he does not respond to physical conditioning but as i recall the same does NOT hold true for Leonard..dustbust5 wrote:So why would he go on about the inability to be conditioned when the doctors tested him if this story exists to comfort Leonard? So Leonard tells himself and others that he can't do what he does daily.
i agree, Leonard can manipulate and distort his memories.. but if he has caged memories of himself injecting his wife withdustbust5 wrote:But that's not as bad as the second implication, that Leonard is actively capable of purposely manipulating the memory of his wife in order to comfort himself. In a story meant to be a riddle box where the proposed narrative is said to be in no way absolutely true or without mental manipulation, Nolan choosing to show us that Leonard can and will actively misremember his wife to comfort himself without regard to the truth is a MASSIVE clue that there is no end to which we can be sure Leonard is doing this.
insulin AFTER his head injury, he can't have anterograde amnesia..
to stay true to the movie Leonard says that he lies to himself specifically in Teddy's case.. which i am pretty sure is bulldustbust5 wrote:Leonard said it himself, he lies to himself to make himself happy, as we all do. To think he only does this rarely when he needs to start over is naive, he does it whenever it's necessary for his journey to continue.
as he has pretty much lied to himself throughout the movie..
i completely accept that his case is that of repressed memory.. but i can't buy that Leonard is an anterograde amnesiac who can recall the insulin overdose incident..dustbust5 wrote:He is a complete and utter psychopath born of a traumatic memory he was desperate to repress. Our mind is capable of unbelievable things to defend itself from the truth, that's what this film is about, a dramatic example of all our use of selective memory so that we can only assign value to mementos that support the mini lies we tell ourselves, but again on a massive scale. The massive form of selective memory is psychopathy, and the end reeks of Leonard choosing it more then being forced with it just Like Teddy in Shutter's Island,